Emily Harriet Norman

[~MERLIN~]

1841 Census:

John Haynes 40yrs - occupation messenger
Catherine Haynes 40yrs
Eliza Haynes 20yrs
Harriett Haynes 15yrs
Catherine Haynes 15yrs
Ann Haynes 40yrs
John Haynes 12yrs

St George Hanover Square, Westminster
Piece: 732
Book: 16
Folio: 30
Page Number: 14

[judb]

Looks very possible that Eliza and Harriet HAYNES were sisters:

1841 at Pembroke Pl, Westminster (parish St George, Hanover Square)
John Haynes   40, messenger - not born in County (Middlesex)
Catherine Haynes 40 - not born County
Eliza Haynes   20 - BIC as are the others listed.
Harriett Haynes   15 -
Catharine Haynes   15
Ann Haynes   40
John Haynes   12

1841 ages are rounded so Harriet and Catherine may not be twins.

oops - Merlin you beat me!

Judith

[sparrett]

So there we have it. William NORMAN Jnr's cousin Emily Harriet WISE was the witness at his marriage

All neat and tidy

Sue

[~MERLIN~]

Marriage:

John HAYNES m. Catherine ROOK 13 Dec 1818 Saint Dunstan In The West, London

[F C Webb]

Thanks for picking up my error, I was looking at the wrong date for Harriett Haynes, so Eliza and Harriett were sisters it seems, Eliza's son William may not have really known what occupation/profession his mother's father had so we can't read too much into "Carpenter" on Eliza'a death entry.

[judb]

BUT - we still haven't found what happened to Emily Harriet NORMAN. Do you have her birth certificate?  It would be interesting if you could transcribe it.

Has anyone found an immigration for Stephen and Harriet WISE and their children?

Judith

[cando]

1851 Census HO107/1589/101/21
Residing 111 High Street, Woolwich Arsenal
WISE Harriet  Married  28 years Baker’s wife   Born London
WISE Stephen Son 2 years                         Born Woolwich Kent
WISE Emily  Dau  1 year                             Born Woolwich Kent
HAYNES John  Father Married 55 years Pensioner from Admiralty  Born Devonshire, Fromington
HAYNES Catherine Mother Married 50 years   Born Hampshire, Southampton
DUTTON Joseph ?Foreman  41 years  Baker  Born Kent, Chatham

Cando

[~MERLIN~]

Has anyone found an immigration for Stephen and Harriet WISE and their children?

Looks like them on the WOODSTOCK from London arriving 27 Apr 1853 at Port Phillip.

Stephen WISE 30yrs
Adelaide WISE 30yrs (Harriet?)
Stephen T WISE 3yrs
- WISE 1yr
Edward WISE 30yrs

Nationality for all the above is listed as English

[cando]

I agree that is the family arriving Vic.  I dismissed the record initially with the name Adelaide .  Harriet's age is a match with the 1851 census however her age isn't correct on the census.  Perhaps she didn't wish to appear older than her OH.

Baptised at St Martins in the Field, Westminster
5 Aug 1821
HAYNES Harriet  Father John [Messenger] Mother Catherine of 6 Scotland Yard.

Other baptisms with parents John and Catherine have his occupations as both messenger and baker.

Cando