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Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« on: Saturday 01 March 14 09:34 GMT (UK) »
Would appreciate any suggestions on how to find the above couple after 1881.    The story so far.  My great x2 aunt Jane was born in Riccall in 1827 (parish register) and Thomas in Ripon (various ages on census).  In 1841 Jane was a servant in Wistow.  In 1851 she is living with Thomas Pickersgill (carpenter) 79 Ebenezer Place, York.  I found the couple through searching for Jane’s brother William Silversides who is, fortunately, staying with her.  In 1861, Jane and Thomas are living at Albert Street, York (Jane’s nephew Mark Saltmarsh is living with them).  In 1871 and 1881, they are living 10 St Clements Terrace, York (Jane’s niece Jane Slater is staying in 1871).  In 1881 it was strange  that Thomas changed his occupation to Retired Tanner.

I had never been able to find a marriage for Jane and Thomas, however several newspaper articles in July 1881 “revealed all”.  Thomas was in court for desertion of his wife in 1844 (she  lived in Bradford)  From the articles, there is reference to a woman who he had lived with who called herself “Mrs Pickersgill”, i.e. my Jane Silversides.  The newspapers reported that Thomas was fairly well-off, owning his property, several cottages in Dale Street which he rented out, property in Driffield and had recently sold two houses to York Corporation for £600. 

Without purchasing loads of random death certificates, my efforts to find them, particularly Jane,  since 1881 have gone cold.  I had hoped the Will route may lead to Thomas, alas I can’t see anything on Will Calendar I think would be him, having spent hours cross-referencing addresses etc.  I have on my list to visit Wakefield Archives (who say they hold the Police Court records of 1881) to see if anything comes up in those as he had to pay his wife a weekly allowance).

Just wondered if going down the “property route” would lead to anything???  Any suggestions gratefully received.   

Goughy
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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 March 14 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Goughy

I read a couple of the newspaper accounts and noted that Thomas was stated to be 64 years old. I couldn't see any death in England and Wales that could be Thomas unless it got missed on the GRO Index. It occurred to me that Thomas and Jane would be pretty much ostracized and possibly went into exile. I was thinking Italy or Greece and then I found the entry below on Family Search. Bit of a coincidence. Note the date. Worth looking into I would say.

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Libby in Canada

Jane Silversides, "Texas, Marriages, 1837-1973"
Name:    Thomas Pickersgill
Birth Date:    
Birthplace:    
Age:    
Spouse's Name:    Jane Silversides
Spouse's Birth Date:    
Spouse's Birthplace:    
Spouse's Age:    
Event Date:    15 Oct 1881
Event Place:    , Bexar, Texas
Father's Name:    
Mother's Name:    
Spouse's Father's Name:    
Spouse's Mother's Name:    
Race:    
Marital Status:    
Previous Wife's Name:    
Spouse's Race:    
Spouse's Marital Status:    
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:    
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:    M59135-5
System Origin:    Texas-ODM
GS Film number:    24921
Reference ID:    

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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 March 14 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Libby

That's a potentially good find and definitely something to follow-up.  The details are too much of  a co-incidence to ignore.  Thomas also did write to his wife when he left her saying that he was going to America - so maybe decided to go 40 years later! I'll have to go to the local LDS Centre, maybe the microfilm will give some further details on the marriage recorded. 

Many thanks, your help greatly appreciated

Shirley
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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 March 14 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Thomas application to become a US citizen. No sign of Jane though.

http://www.eppygen.org/txbexar/Records/Intent/Intent_Thomas_Pickersgill_1883.png

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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 March 14 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alan

Excellent find.  He certainly went to great lengths so that his wife could not get her hands on his "fortunes"!  On LDS there's a tax assessment form in Bexar in 1883 for Thomas Pickersgill, unfortunately the site is playing up at the moment so I can't download it, but guess it will be him. 

They left quite quickly after his court appearance, so someone must have looked after the selling of all his properties - I'm guessing it will be Jane's brother, William Silversides, he was a Councillor on York Corporation (he'd a "chequered past").

However, that's smashed a brick wall down a bit, so onwards and upwards, now to try and trace them further....... Jane is the only sibling I have not been able to follow from cradle to grave. 

Once again, many thanks

Shirley
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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 March 14 18:27 GMT (UK) »
San Antonio Light newspaper from 30 May 1883 has a listing of a building permit for Thomas Pickersgill for a lumber dwelling north of Sherman street, $500.

1885 San Antonio city directory
Pickersgill, Thomas resides ws. Sherman between N. Cherry, Mesquite

1887 San Antonio city directory
Pickersgill, Thomas resides 224 9th

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Re: Help with brick wall JANE SILVERSIDES/THOMAS PICKERSGILL
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 March 14 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks shelly.  I had seen the directory entries, but the newspaper snippet is new for me, so thanks for that - it all adds to the picture. 

At the weekend, I spoke to the local LDS who advised me that the microfiche reference Libby found was probably only an index and advised me to contact Bexar County, so I've emailed and await a response. 

Shirley
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