1851 CENSUS JAMES TURNER

[maidmarianoops]

Joseph Lievesley

Ann Spencer   
  Marriage:  09 NOV 1733   Wingfield, Derby, England
 

IGI RESULT
ISN'T GENEALOGY FUN

[lonk]

Yes much easier now remember buying my first Birth certificate after trawling through the records at St Caths London in 1980


                                                  regards Lorraine

[DaveLoy]

Hi Lorraine, Better late than never. Please find below may data on James Turner.

James Turner was born in Derby around 1801. He married Hannah Parker (Christened 27 Jul 1803 Uttoxeter Staffs). This may not have been his first marriage. Hannah died in Derby in 1871. Thomas their son was born  about 1821 (hence was it James first marriage) He married Caroline Marsh in Derby in 1848 and is record in the 1851 census. He died in Derby around 1855. I have more data and census data if you require. James is my 3rd great grandfather.
I would be interested to know your relationship with the family.
Dave.

[lonk]

Hi Dave

  Caroline Marsh is my 2X grandmothers sister  Mary Ann Marsh

 Mary Ann Marsh married a Thomas Turner but i could never find the marriage they had 7 children in Derby  which i could not find . In 1871 they were living in Rotherham Yorkshire . As Turner.

 After many years of searching they turned out to be Rowbotham's not Turner when they moved to Rotherham they changed the surname to Turner (Still have not found out why yet usless he did something naughty). But I have positive  prove.

 Now have the marriage and birth cert for the missing children under Rowbotham

They must have chosen the Turner surname because of the sister Caroline and her husband  who they lived near and looks like they were a close family as my Mary Ann was born at the same address as Caroline was living at on John street Derby in the 1851 and 1881 census

 I Have info on the Marsh side Caroline  Etc  but not the Turner's as they are only connected as it turns out by Marriage .

 Caroline Marsh was born on the 21-1-1824 and was Bapt on the 15-2-1824 at Bosall Derby they were not church of england

 Her parents were Richard Marsh and Eliza Goodman who married at Bonsall

RICHARD MARSH SOJOURNER OF THIS PARISH AND ELIZA GOODMAN SOUJOURNER OF THIS PARISH MARRIED ON THE SECOND DAY OF SEPTEMBER 1823 RICHARD MARSH X HIS MARK AND ELIZA GOODMAN  WITT JAMES MARQUEEN AND ABRAHAM HURST
have more info on these 2
Regards Lorraine


 

[DaveLoy]

Thanks for that Lorraine.

I know that Eliza Goodman came from St. Georges in London according to census records and that is like looking for a needle in a hay-stack.

I don't think the Richard Marsh was a local boy either as the 1841 census does not quote a place. (Space left blank) He died around 1844. I think he was born around 1785 to 1789 but so were a lot of other Richard Marshs.

Have any additional info on Richard?

Regards

Dave.

[lonk]

1841 census
Richard Marsh  55 Silk Weaver
not from County
Eliza Marsh 40 Silk Weaver not from County
Caroline Marsh 15 Silk Factory born in county
Robert Marsh 13 Iron Dresser ? born in County

Address Bridgegate Derby

Someone was telling porkies on the 1841 census
10 years older He also could have been married before he married Eliza

DEATH
HC846052 NO 435
TWENTY EIGHTH JUNE 1844 COURT 9 BRIDGE GATE  ST ALKMUND
RICHARD MARSH MALE AGE 70 YEARS SILK WEAVER  CAUSE OF DEATH DECAY OF NATURE INFORMANT CHARLES BIRCH IN ATTENDANCE COURT 9 BRIDGE GATE REGISTERED 1-7-1844

BURIAL
RICHARD MARSH OF BRIDGE GATE AGE 70 BURIED 3-7-1844

If I have anything else that might help let me know

Regards Lorraine

ELIZA GOODMAN was born St George's Hanover Square I Believe Goodman is a Jewish name maybe why they were not c of e  as there daughter Mary Ann who Married Thomas Rowbottam alias Turner did not have any of the children baptized  Caroline their daughter  was baptized in Rotherham when she was 19 just before she married

[DaveLoy]

Thanks Lorraine, another piece in the puzzle.

Regards

Dave