COMPLETED Richard Wain`s Marriage to a Pheaby Ellen Surname unknown

[timmis1]

Hi I wonder if anyone can help

I am looking for the marriage (if there is one!) of my gg grandfather Richard Wain to a Pheaby Ellen I am afraid I don`t know her surname.
However by the census of 1881shows that Pheaby Ellen was then married to a William Bennet with three children from Richard Wain ie Fredrick, Ellen and Ernest in Hollinsclouch Staffordshire.
The oldest child would have been born around 1869 so I would hope for a marriage any time before that.
I presume the father of the Wain Children is Richard as I have the marriage cert of Ernest to a Harriat Ashmore in 1911 and he gives his father`s name as Richard Wain(deceased)

[groom]

This is the only marriage I can find for William and "Pheaby"

Mar 1879
Bennett    William Frederick        Wolstanton    6b   171      
DOUGHERTY    Phoebe               Wolstanton    6b   171

If that is correct, she didn't marry Richard.

[groom]

Have you seen this for 1871 - there was an older daughter

Piece: 2885 Folio: 22 Page: 9     Colshaw, Hollinsclough

LOMAS, Ellen   Head      F   79   Farmer                          Hartington Upper Derbyshire   
WAIN, Phoebe   Lodger widow   F   28   bonnet maker       Leek Staffordshire   
WAIN, Ann   Daughter      F   7                                         Hartington Upper  Derbyshire
WAIN, Fredrick   Son      M   2                                               Staffordshire   

If that is the case, the two younger Wain children in the 1881 did not have Richard as a father.

[carol8353]

Have you seen this for 1871 - there was an older daughter

Piece: 2885 Folio: 22 Page: 9     Colshaw, Hollinsclough

LOMAS, Ellen   Head      F   79   Farmer                              Derbyshire   
WAIN, Phoebe   Lodger widow   F   28   bonnet maker       Leek Staffordshire   
WAIN, Ann   Daughter      F   7                                               Derbyshire
WAIN, Fredrick   Son      M   2                                               Staffordshire   

If that is the case, the two younger Wain children in the 1881 did not have Richard as a father.

If you follow that Ellen Lomas back to 1851 you get a 7 year old Phoeby FERNEHOUGH living with her.Worth following through?

Her birth......

Births Jun 1842   

FERNIHOUGH    Phebe        Newcastle Lyme    17   91

[groom]

Birth of daughter Ann

 
Jan-Feb-Mar 1865
Chapel En Le Frith  Derbyshire
Volume:    7B
Page:    614

That was the registration for Upper Hartington

[SmallTownGirl]

FreeBMD has a marriage of

Phoebe Ellen Ferniough
in Q4, 1864 in Bakewell Registration District, vol 7b, p.1013.

to either
Peter Brookes
or
Isaac Wain

the other female listed is a Hannah Needham.

STG

[carol8353]

FreeBMD has a marriage of

Phoebe Ellen Ferniough
in Q4, 1864 in Bakewell Registration District, vol 7b, p.1013.

to either
Peter Brookes
or
Isaac Wain

the other female listed is a Hannah Needham.

STG

Well found,looks like his name was Isaac then 

[SmallTownGirl]

And not that I can work out how to search on this website, but if someone can, then we may be able to find details of the Isaac/Phoebe marriage

http://www.dustydocs.com/linkSpecial/8/79817/derby-marriage-index-1538-1837.html

I just put Wain in the groom's name box and this is the list I got.  Can't navigate away from p.1 though ...

STG

[groom]

That is interesting - look at this 1861 entry, could there be some sort of connection, or just a coincidence?
 RG 9 Piece: 2545 Folio: 103 Page: 16   
Thirkelow, Brand End, Hartington Upper Quarter

NADEN, Abram   Head   Widower       58   Farmer Of 232 Acres  Hartington Upper Quarter, 
NADEN, Isaac   Son   Unmarried    23 Labourer At Lime Works  Hartington Upper Quarter
NADEN, Sarah J   Daughter   Unmarried    19                 Hartington Upper Quarter    
WAIN, Richard   Stepson Unmarried   26 Labourer At Lime Works  Hartington Upper Quarter
WAIN, John   Stepson   Unmarried   M   20   Farm Servant     Hartington Upper Quarter