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Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« on: Saturday 08 March 14 16:03 GMT (UK) »
I have the will and final accounting of John Beggs who died in Maryland in 1875, with final accounting being apr 5, 1880. There was some money willed to Margaret Beggs, daughter of my Thomas Beggs.
According to a family tree also received from Maryland, Margaret married Robert Graham. I am thinking this marriage was after Apr 5, 1880 as Margaret was still referred to as Beggs in the final accounting.
A marriage of a Margaret Mabel Beggs to Robert Graham has been found for Jan 18, 1900 but I not sure if it is the correct couple as the venue is Hilltown Presbyterian Church in Clonduff Parish, Civil District Newry, Co. Down.  I am thinking that Ballyeaston would be more likely.  Can anyone find a different marriage for Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham?  Thank you very much.
Peggy
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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 March 14 16:38 GMT (UK) »
In the will - is she only referred to as Margaret - not Margaret Mabel.  From the info you have of the family - was she born as Margaret Mabel or just Margaret?  What year was she born?

I'm not familiar with the term final accounting - is it something like the English equivalent of probate?

If so - the names used would probably be the same as in the will so she could have married anytime between the date of the will and 1880 as well as post 1880 depending on her birthyear

Who is the tree owner - how have they sourced their info (eg) have they bought a copy of her marriage cert or are they in possession of some other documentary evidence to support a married name of Graham?   Or - have they made "assumptions"
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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 March 14 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   In the 1900 marriage the bride is listed as Margery Mabel Beggs.

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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 March 14 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Peggy has that info as per post above. 

However - there are a number of Margaret Beggs marriages and unless it can be proved that she was definitely born with the middle name of Mabel -  it would be like searching for a needle in a haystack for the right marriage.

I have a feeling that the tree owner may have made assumptions about that marriage without any documentary proof that it is the right Margaret Beggs
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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 March 14 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   The spelling is MARGERY and not Margaret.

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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 March 14 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Whoops - sorry :-[

 
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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 March 14 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Margaret was baptised as Margaret although two sisters had 2 first names, or a first and second e.g. Anna Logan Beggs and Mary Lawson Beggs.Margaret was born July 31, 1852 and baptised Sept 5, 1852 in Kilbride Presbyterian.
The aforementioned marriage was found once with the name Marjery Mabel and once with the name Margaret Mabel. I have no previous knowledge of the second name Mabel.
The documents regarding John's will included his will, an inventory, a first accounting in May 1876 which shows bills paid (Administration of will), and then final accounting on Apr 5, 1880 when the monies were disbursed. Is that same as probate? John named all the children of his brother Thomas (my Thomas) and his brother Robert, with the ones who had emigrated getting a bigger chunk than the ones who stayed in Ireland. Anyway, it proves to me that I have the correct will for the correct family, as I have all the same names in my tree.   Robert and Thomas were both deceased before final accounting and so their amounts went to their respective children.
Along with the will, I received a family tree that someone had compiled, possibly D.R. Jordon, as the tree was attached to a skeletal ancestral chart which was compiled by D.R.Jordon, a direct descendant of Robert Beggs and Jane Waddell (this Robert is the brother of John and my Thomas). Previously, I did not have the names of some of the spouses of Thomas' daughters. The tree does not have sources. On this TREE, the spouse of Margaret Beggs is given as Robert Graham. In the FINAL ACCOUNTING of the will in 1880, Margaret is still named as Margaret Beggs whereas her sister Mary who had married James Robinson in 1872, is named as Mary Robinson.  This is why I assumed that Margaret's marriage was after Apr 1880. Another sister Anna Logan Beggs is listed under her maiden name as well and Anna did not marry until Dec 1889.
Note, the tree owner/compiler does not mention the middle name of Mabel and the tree does not give sources.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
Peggy
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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 March 14 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peggy

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whereas her sister Mary who had married James Robinson in 1872, is named as Mary Robinson.  This is why I assumed that Margaret's marriage was after Apr 1880.

What date did John Beggs write his will?  If it was after 1872 that would account for Mary being shown under her married name

If he wrote it between 1872-1875 and Margaret married after he wrote it - it's unlikely he would have changed it just to show her married name

Guess the point I am making is that Margaret could have married at any time between the date the will was actually written and 1880 when it was finalised

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Re: Marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham, aft. Apr 5, 1880
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 March 14 20:00 GMT (UK) »
John's Will was written Nov 14, 1873. Margaret is not named specifically in the will, it is just stated that all the children of Thomas Beggs living in Ireland would share $3,500, share and share alike. Then in the final accounting in 1880, she is named as Margaret Beggs and gets 202.71, same as siblings Jane Beggs, John L. Beggs, Elizabeth Beggs, Mary Robinson, Thomas Beggs, Annie L. Beggs, and Susan Beggs.
I do understand what you are saying and it makes sense, but if Mary's married name is given in the final accounting, I am thinking that Margaret's would be as well, if she were married.
Thanks for all your help and thoughts in this matter.
Peggy
Meggison-Durham, Northumberland and Canada
Johnston - Co. Derry, Ireland
Groves - Co. Derry, Ireland