Let's Start Again, Mary Ellen Shepherd b1840, Sheffield.

[KGarrad]

Just a note...on Mary Ellen Shepherd's marriage certificate her father is down as a metalsmith John Joseph Shepherd, but it doesn't say he is deceased. But if her mother was a widow in 1851 and she married in 1864 surely it would be marked on the marriage certificate?

A couple of points here:

Did the registrar ask if her father was dead or alive?
And/or did Mary volunteer the information?

Absence of the word "deceased" unfortunately doesn't mean anything!

[Tim Brayshaw]

Just a note...on Mary Ellen Shepherd's marriage certificate her father is down as a metalsmith John Joseph Shepherd, but it doesn't say he is deceased. But if her mother was a widow in 1851 and she married in 1864 surely it would be marked on the marriage certificate?

A couple of points here:

Did the registrar ask if her father was dead or alive?
And/or did Mary volunteer the information?

Absence of the word "deceased" unfortunately doesn't mean anything!

True enough, im just used to seeing 'Deceased' on the marriage certificates i have ordered, if it is the case. Maybe my family are just morbid people who usually offer that information voluntarily 

[Tim Brayshaw]

I know this is reviving an old topic, but i have come back to this side of my family tree and wondering if any fresh eyes could break through this brick wall.

We were left unable to find out;

Baptism for Mary Holden b1811 in Sheffield

- Possible find on familysearch

Name:   Mary Holden
14 Apr 1811
CATHEDRAL SAINT PETER,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:   24 Mar 1811
Father's Name:   Samuel Holden
Mother's Name:   Elizabeth

Why her mother was Elizabeth Hallett and not Holden - even though we can't find her marriage to a Hallett. Or a death for that matter when she was 83 in 1861, Sheffield.

[Tuppie]

There is a marriage between May 1830 and July 1831 at SS Peter & Paul Sheffield (later cathedral) for Joseph SHEPHERD and Mary HOLDEN.
(This is from the index compiled by S&DFHS)
Angela

[Tim Brayshaw]

There is a marriage between May 1830 and July 1831 at SS Peter & Paul Sheffield (later cathedral) for Joseph SHEPHERD and Mary HOLDEN.
(This is from the index compiled by S&DFHS)
Angela

Thank you for your reply, is it possible to review this online? Or is this only viewable at a records office?

[Goughy]

There's a NBI for an Elizabeth Allott on 7 May 1863 aged 86 (birth 1777), Crookes St Thomas, Sheffield

[Tim Brayshaw]

There's a NBI for an Elizabeth Allott on 7 May 1863 aged 86 (birth 1777), Crookes St Thomas, Sheffield

Nicely found, definitely seems to fit in. I have been looking for a while now for what must have been her second marriage to someone called Allott from when she was a Holden.

[Goughy]

The Mary Holden baptism referred to in reply #11 has Samuel's occupation as "opticion" (sic)

[Tim Brayshaw]

The Mary Holden baptism referred to in reply #11 has Samuel's occupation as "opticion" (sic)

That's a nice revelation. I'm a Manager of an opticians. Which site would I have to view to see the parish register image?