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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 March 14 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Thats a good thought Pennines.  There is also the possibility of Ireland  ::) . On the 1841 census there is an Alexander Simeon aged 40 born Ireland living in Liverpool.  May be some relation  :-\ 

Just to throw some additional thoughts in, his surname could have be transcribed/misheard as Simon or possible Simmon, Simmons to name, but a few.  For instance his daughter Margaret was baptised in 1804 under the surname Simmons. 

13th April 1806 St Nicholas, Liverpool
Margaret Simmons, Daughter of John Simmons & Jane (formerly Bell)), His Wife
Born on 3rd March 1806
Abode Newbird St.
Occupation Book Keeper

There is a death of a John Simmons in the Workhouse, Book keeper on 6th November 1821 at St. Johns, Liverpool aged 40.  It is possible that this is the record your cousin found to work out his year of birth.   Also buried at St. Johns was a Jane Simon aged 50 on the 8th June, 1828.

Definitely a tricky one. 

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 March 14 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Alexander may definitely be a family connection --- as John Simeon gave one of his children the middle christian name of Alexander --- it wasn't the most common name.

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 March 14 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes, tricky.  But those are great leads.  Thank you so much!

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 March 14 04:05 GMT (UK) »
Mosiefish,

May I ask, when you found the birth of Margaret Simmons, what did you search for?  Did you search all the spelling possibilities of Simeon or did it come up as a possible match just being close in the name with John and Jane being listed as the parents?  I guess it would do me good to know what site you found it on too.  I am on a learning curve here and I am finding that people I eventually find probably should have come up in earlier searches and searching for variations of the surname has opened up a whole new can of worms for me.  :)


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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 March 14 04:28 GMT (UK) »
Try  http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Brilliant site for Lancashire baptisms, burials and marriages. I think one or two of your Simeons/Simmons are on there.
Rigby-Lathom, Freckleton,
Singleton-Fylde
Moss-Rufford
Johnson-Tarleton
Hull-Tarleton, Fylde
French-Abram,Rainford
Blake-Upton in Cheshire
Bolas-Shropshire
Butler- Greenhalgh, Lancs
Harrison - Garstang, Lancs

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 March 14 12:52 GMT (UK) »
Another Child;
ANN Simeon, Baptised 06 Jan 1804, Our Lady & St Nicholas, Liverpool
Birth 08 Dec 1803
Parents JOHN/JANE
Abode Dock Side
Fathers Occp Officer in the Customs
(Source FreeREG www.freereg.org.uk)

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 March 14 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Wales has a lot of Simeons;
Check out Familysearch 1779-1782, they are under Simeon/Simon/Simmons

Eg;
John SIMEON Baptised 01 Aug 1779, Parish Church, Llanarmon-Yn-Ial, Denbighshire
Parents SIMON/JANE
Childs name is Patronymic-Fathers name is Simon Evans
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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #16 on: Friday 21 March 14 02:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Trish!

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Re: Hit brick wall on John Simeon b 1781
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 17 April 14 03:17 BST (UK) »
I may have found something in regards to my search.  Please see photo.   Can anyone tell me more about "Abode - Barnaker"?

Also, here is the exact wording in the Liverpool Gazette Aug 20th 1781 (spelling mistakes and all):

Fourteen year old boy fathers son.  A Boot Boy employed by well seated squire is claimed to be the father of a son born to a maid sevant.  On insruction she was removed from her employ to an unknown home.  The boys father was a Foot Man at the same address. The baby was named John Simeon and the father Francis Simeon. The mothers name was not recorded. Baby John is to be passed to family being that the mother left the home without the baby and it is not known where she resides.

Can anyone tell me what a Boot Boy and Foot Man is?