Help with identifying regiments please

[tezzer]

Hi all I have a picture of two of my relatives in WW1 uniforms. the picture of Samuel Joyce and one of his sons. I believe the son died during the Somme offensive. I am trying to identify the uniforms I have been told the crossed rifles is the rifle brigade but I am not sure if they are crossed rifles was there any other badges like that. and would that have been the place they wore it, down low on the arm, there also seems to be 2 bands running beneath the badge. It looks like he was a Sargent. unfortunately the picture is badly damaged the eyes mouths and badges and buttons seem to have been obliterated. There is even less to go on with the other uniform.
                                                   Thanks
                                                         Tezzer

[EDDIER]

The soldier seated looks to have a Labour Corps cap badge. The soldier standing sergeant has two wound strips and what looks like physical training instructor trade patch. His cap badge could be Corps of Royal Engineers.
Eddie

[fred1951]

Well I think I have found a service record for your chap standing, maybe you will tell by the few notes I have taken.....

Joseph William Joyce army numbers B/200193 & 5993,  3/8th London reg 10th Rifle Brigade, b 1896/1897, married to Rachel Crofs, had a child Joseph William b 31/1/1919. lived at 5 Frederick St and worked for the GPO. Father Samuel J Joyce 91 Bride St Holloway Barnsbury.
It looks like Joseph was still in the army upto Aug 1919 

[tezzer]

wow as always I am surprised how quickly people find things out. The man seated is Samuel John Joyce  1874-1946 The lad standing I believe is one of his sons his father was a brother of my granddad although there's 20 years between them. My granddad told my father, that the lad in the picture was his brothers son who was killed on the Somme. I have two sons for Samuel in my tree who so far I've not managed to put a date of death to. Henry John Joyce 1894 and Charles Joyce 1903, so I had assumed it was one of those but your right Joseph was another of his sons. it wouldn't be the first time my granddads information has proved to be wrong the man seated in the next picture is Samuel and the man behind him in the white is my granddad he always told my dad because of the age difference he never knew his older brother Samuel but they are here together along with two of his sisters and two of Samuel's children
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                                                                              Tezzer

[jim1]

According to his record Samuel first joined the Hampshire Regt. where he served 12 years. Went to S. Africa (57 days) & received the S.A. Medal.
Recalled 1915 & sent to France 1917 - 1918.
4 children listed:
Thomas James b. 12/5/09/ Lewisham
Samuel John b. 20/7/11     do
Ada Ruth Jeannie b. 22/8/13 S. Stoneham
Daisy rose b. 14/3/16 N. Leyton.
Add: 95 Boundary Rd. Leyton
Occ: Cook.

[jess5athome]

Hi, is Samuel? wearing a "Silver Wound Badge"? or is it to big to be one, not sure if its on the correct lapel tho'.

Regards.
Frank.

[jim1]

Hi, is Samuel wearing a "Silver Wound Badge"? or is it to big to be one, not sure if its on the correct lapel tho'.

Well spotted.

[Betty19]

Hi
 I have just seen your post, not sure how old it is ,however, I see you are researching Joyce's .
I wondered if our paths cross somewhere ,as I am also looking for Joyce's .Most of my Joyce's were Lightermen on the Surrey docks.

cheers

[alan o]

The soldier seated looks to have a Labour Corps cap badge. The soldier standing sergeant has two wound strips and what looks like physical training instructor trade patch. His cap badge could be Corps of Royal Engineers.
Eddie

The Sergeant's badge is actually crossed rifles so he is a good shot rather than a PTI. 

The tunic buttons are not brass but appear blackened which ties in with the black buttons of the rifle brigade. 

The seated soldier wears the General Service coat of arms badge.  This was indeed worn by the Labour Corps but was also worn by many Volunteer Bns which succeeded the VTC (Volunteer Training Corps) post 1916.  As he is of advanced age he would be a contender for either.