James Doyle Children Vanishing Liverpool Colony of NSW

[robgen1]

Hello All

I was wondering if any one is or has done any work on the following Persons or Doyle family

James Doyle
B:1823 approx D:1893 Liverpool NSW
married 1852
Sarah May Attwell or Atwill or Attwill (various spellings exist)
B: 1835 approx  D: 1874

I can locate births of six children and know what happened to 3 of them listed

Ann Doyle B: 1857 M: 1875  J. Beckhause D:1882  as Annie Beckhaus
Mary Josephine Doyle B: 1862  M:- D: 1878 as reported in inquest 1 Nov 1878
James J P Doyle: B: 1865 M: 1898 D: 1925 Liverpool NSW

1 male and 5 females were alive at time of Mothers Death as per certificate (Sarah M Doyle nee Attwell) 1874
1 male and 3 females were still alive at Fathers Death as per certificate (James Doyle) 1893

The three that seem to vanish are as follows all born Liverpool NSW

Sarah A Doyle  B: 1868
Martha A Doyle B: 1871
Elizabeth Hannah Doyle B: 1873

I cant seem to get any further I checked not only NSW Births Deaths & Marriages, and Trove (NLA Newspapers)

Any assistance or knowledge would be greatly appreciated

Regards
Greg

[Neil Todd]

They all seem to be on NSW BDM?
IE
WILLIAM T RUDD MARRIED ELIZABETH H DOYLE AT BOURKE REF # 8105/1903

Neil

[robgen1]

Hello Neil

thank you for reply appreciated

ie i saw the marriage of William T Rudd to Elizabeth H Doyle, of 1903

I discounted this as a possible death in Bourke was has wrong parents so does not match
2863/1962 RUDD ELIZABETH HARRIET THOMAS EMMA BOURKE   

William T Rudd Died in 1923 there is no remarriage so nothing else to check against

i have been through all the possible marriages but none match

Then i also checked Sarah A Doyle # 1158/1895 to Robert Cooper but no match for Death and also appears to be no remarriage even though Robert Cooper appears to have died # 18735/1919

and was not able to locate a Martha A Doyle getting married at all between 1880 and 1940


Regards
Greg

[wivenhoe]

This family?

The three children who are so far unaccounted for would be very young when mother Sarah d. 1874
and possibly raised by extended family.

What is in inquest report for death Mary J DOYLE d. 1878 Burwood. Where is she living....what names appear on this document?

Do you have marriage certificate for Ann DOYLE m. BECKHAUSE Jacob 1875?
Where is she living and who are witnesses please....might be sibling?
What do you know about family of Sarah ATWILL........who might have raised her youngest children after she died?


NSW BDM marriage
V1852615 98 / 1852 DOYLE James   m. ATWILL Sarah  A                       LI

births
7603 / 1857  DOYLE Ann                       James / Sarah M           Liverpool
8724 / 1862 DOYLE Mary J                    James / Sarah M           Liverpool
9929 / 1865 DOYLE James J P                James / Sarah M          Liverpool
10766 / 1868 DOYLE Sarah A                 James / Sarah M           Liverpool
11793 / 1871 DOYLE Martha A               James / Sarah M           Liverpool
12470 / 1873 DOYLE Elizabeth Hannah   James / Sarah M           Liverpool

death
5652 / 1874 DOYLE Sarah M             John / Elizabeth                     Liverpool
2653 / 1878 DOYLE Mary J                      James                            died Burwood
1322 / 1925 DOYLE James J P              James / Sarah                      Liverpool

[wivenhoe]

What death date 1893 do you have for James DOYLE please

[Neil Todd]

Hmm see what you mean I found the other Harriet's birth as well at Bourke

Well people dont vanish, so they must be around somewhere. Unfortunately an informal adoption looks likely with their mother dying 1874. Their ages of 1, 3 and 5 makes them all infants and needing higher care.

I had a look at James wife's Sarah Atwill's family thinking maybe they took over but although there are marriages within this famly nothing stands out.

I would be looking as to who took over care of even the 3 older one's, maybe there is something there. One other female outside of Josephine obviously died before 1893 at fathers death, but does not show up as a DOYLE

COULD THESE BE ADOPTING PARENTS
ANDREW AND MARY A DOYLE Living at Balmain & Petersham

Siblings to James could be a possible avenue

Neil

[Neil Todd]

This probably doesn't show much more but is a possible.

ELIZABETH DOYLE... FATHER UNKNOWN MOTHER UNKNOWN AT SYDNEY REF# 2066/1875

only a year after Sarah's death Childrens home maybe Or of course could be an adult. No way of knowing.

Neil   

[judb]

Hi Greg

It will be helpful if you could answer Wivenhoe's questions.  I'm assuming that the children are not named on the father's death cert?  Of the 5 girls obviously 2 of them have died (or are not known to the informant) by 1893.  Sorry, no help - just random thoughts 

I do not have access to NSW electoral rolls earlier than the 30s - perhaps James (the son) has a sister living with him? 

Judith

[robgen1]

Hello Wivenhoe

First of all "Thank you" for reply appreciated greatly

Jame Doyle died 21 October 1893 Liverpool

on the certificate has correct details of age etc and unfortunately no names of children just listed as
one son living
three daughters living
two females dead

Informant was Avess Doyle Daughter of deceased  I assume may be either Sarah A or Martha A and used Avess as first name.

You also have listed the records i have at present correctly as per NSW BDM

the inquest document for Mary Josephine Doyle, mentions her sister Annie Beckhaus and her brother-in- law Mr Beckhaus she drowned in Burwood NSW visiting her sister and husband and was residing in Liverpool at time.

I sadly don't have marriage cert from Annie Beckhaus (nee Doyle) and Jacob Beckhaus was listed as BECKHAUSE as per BDM Cert ref.

To be honest i don't have much information re the Family of
Sarah ATWILL - ATTWILL - ATWIL - ATTWELL there are multiple spellings of names for same family that much i have been able to establish thus far. I do however know that Sarah had a sister named Avis Aviss or Aves depending on which document ie Birth Marriage Death one of each so take pick on that one and then Avess


Regards
Greg