Thomas twins, born 1893 Llanbadrig

[Sheila from Deva]

Twins Richard William & Jane Margaret Thomas b1893 Llanbadrig. father; John Thomas born c1853 Amlwch.
I last found this family living at 'Bryn Awel', Burwen, Nr Amlwch, in 1911. At that time John Thomas was a widower living with his 17yr old twins and two further children. From death records it appears that the twins subsequently died within months of each other, aged 20.
The 1901 census had shown John married to Ellen, some 24yrs his junior, which makes me think that she was a second wife and not the twins mother.  Therefore, I wonder if anyone can shed any further light on this family.

[CaroleW]

Hi

The 1901 shows John b 1853 Llanbadrig and living in Rhosybol.  He was a farmer & joiner but I can't see an obvious 1891 entry to determine if he was married at that time

You will probably need to buy one of the twins birth certs to get his first wife's name and maiden name

[Sheila from Deva]

Thanks Carole,
I think birth certificates probably are the only answer.
In common with many Welsh surnames (my own included - Jones) researching Thomas is something of a nightmare, not helped by the fact that John Thomas' children were born in several different places!
Cheers
Sheila

[wrjones]

Whether it helps or not I don't know but the Twins births are recorded on North Wales BMD in 1893 with a mother's maiden name of Jones!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[CaroleW]

A possibility but you really need the cert

Marriages June qtr 1892   
Margaret Jane Jones Anglesey  11b   915   
John Thomas

[wrjones]

Though the Anglesey births are seemingly shown on North Wales BMD,the Anglesey marriages are not.One of the later children an Elizabeth Ceridwen Thomas born in 1903 is showing with a mother's maiden name of Lewis.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[dragonT]

The birth registrations have:

THOMAS Jane Margaret, father John, mother Jane Margaret JONES, 12 Sep 1893 (twin), Llanbadrig.
THOMAS Richard William,  father John, mother Jane Margaret JONES, 12 Sep 1893 (twin), Llanbadrig.

The marriage was also at Llanbadrig:

John THOMAS, 39, bachelor, carpenter of Bryn Llewelyn, son of William THOMAS, farmer. Margaret Jane JONES, 24, spinster of Tyddyn Rhydderch, daughter of William JONES, flour merchant (deceased). 12 May 1892, Llanbadrig Church.

Death:
THOMAS Margaret Jane, 29, 15 Mar 1897 at Glyn Ifor, Rhos y Bol, wife of farmer John THOMAS. Informant Richard JONES, brother-in-law of Market St. Amlwch.

[dragonT]

Elizabeth Ceridwen THOMAS seems to be unrelated. Birth registered:
THOMAS Elizabeth Ceridwen, father Owen, mother Margaret LEWIS, 21 Jan 1903, Holyhead.

John THOMAS remarried:
John THOMAS, 45, widower, farmer of Glyn Ifor, Rhosgoch, son of William THOMAS, farmer. Ellen HUGHES, 22, spinster of Glyn Ifor, Rhosgoch, daughter of Thomas HUGHES, farmer. 30 Nov 1898, Gosen Chapel, Llangwyllog.

[Sheila from Deva]

Thanks to everyone for the information given, it has been of great help.

I'm now left to puzzle out how Elizabeth Ceridwen Thomas fits into the family when her mother's maiden name was Lewis!  The usual two steps forward and one back!

Maybe one of you would be kind enough to find if Elizabeth's younger brother had the same  mother? He is seen as John Owen Thomas born 1904, Rhosgoch, in the census.

You will perhaps gather that I'm non too familiar with this website, but am fast learning that it's members are a fountain of help and information. Sadly, my genealogy research has been interrupted by the radical, and in my opinion, retrograde changes Find My Past have decided to make to their website, which is now an absolute nightmare to use. Suggestions/recommendations  re alternative websites would be most welcome.