George Hickman

[gillianR]

Hi Willow

I also have a death for Edward Hickman in 1899 in Greenwich:
Death from Free BMD
Deaths Dec 1899   (>99%)
Hickman    Edward    47    Greenwich    1d   790

So that would tie in with the death you found for Bridget
which means you may well be right:)

Regards
Gillianr

Regards

[gillianR]

Hello again Willow

I have found the marriage for Edward Hickman and Bridget Gough Sept 1877 in
Wolverhampton, but, cannot find either of them on the 1881 or 1891, in Staffordshire or London.

Regards
Gillianr

[Willow 4873]

There was no sign of the marriage on the archive

Edwin also states he was born Leicester on the 1891!

Willow x

[gillianR]

Hi Willow
Marriage from Free BMD Possibly
Marriages Sep 1877   (>99%)
Gough    Bridget        Wolverhampton    6b   748   
HICKMAN    Edward         Wolverhampton    6b   748

The occupation of Edward from 1871 through 1881 and 1891 is Blacksmith, which was why I was sure I had the right one, but cannot find him on the 1881 with a wife named Bridget or on the 1891,
only with Beatrice. I wonder if there was in those days an alternative name for Beatrice/Bridget, or if in fact she had a middle name being Beatrice, and decided to use that name rather than Bridget.?? Or are there mis-spellings along the line??

The one I have followed with Beatrice, gives the names of his children, Edward Thos born c 1878
in Wolverhampton, Henry Jas born c. 1880 in Wolverhampton, John Born c. 1883 in Wolverhampton Mary Ann Born.c. 1885 in Wolverhampton anf Alice Ellen born c. 1891 in DEPTFORD London.

Because Edward died in 1899, (not sure about his wife) I found Alice Ellen in 1901 in an Orphanage,Class: RG13; Piece: 652; Folio: 186; Page: 15. and in 1911 she was in the Workhouse
: RG14; Piece: 17531. (which tells me she had lost her parents)
I then found Mary Ann in 1901 as a boarder in Wolverhampton RG13; Piece: 2683; Folio: 72; Page: 26. and in 1911 as a general domestic servant, in Balham S.W. RG14; Piece: 2301.
(again I feel that she had lost her parents)

John I found in 1901 as a prisoner in Wales (a reform home)RG13; Piece: 5213; Folio: 145; Page: 5. and in 1903 he married in Prestwich and was living in Beswick.RG14; Piece: 24284.
(Because he was in trouble, I feel again, that he had no parents)

Henry James (Jas) married in 1899 in Greenwich.In 1901 he was living in Dulwich London
Occ: Blacksmith (which appears to run through the family of Hickmans)Class: RG13; Piece: 501; Folio: 18; Page: 23. and on the 1911 still a Blacksmith living in Camberwell London,RG14; Piece: 2528.

I still have one more to check out.

The fact that they all seemed to be 'free spirits' due to being parentless, they all drifted, and did end up in London.

Hope this does not give you the screeming abdabs:) as I thought I was on to a pretty good 'roll'
until I could not find the marriage of Edward and Beatrice, and not being able to find them in 1881 and 1891.

Enjoy:)
Bet you tell me I am wrong.

Regards
Gillianr

[Willow 4873]

I think Bridget/Beatrice is the same person I think you are right about the kids though being dispersed when both of them died

Willow x

[gillianR]

Hi
Pleased to hear you think I am right:) note: only 'think' I am right:)

I did see that Edwin put his place of birth on the 1891 as Leicestershire, but
on the 'front page' it is printed down as born Wolverhampton.
It appears that the enumerator assumed for some reason that Edwin was born in Leicester,
(don't they make it hard for us??

I have just found the marriage of Edward Thomas to Alice Maud Harper in 1905 in St.Olave
Marriage from Free BMD
Marriages Sep 1905   (>99%)
HARPER    Alice Maud        St. Olave    1d   392   
Hickman    Edward Thomas         St. Olave    1d   392
and have also found her on the 1901 in a 'Home' called St.James's, in London.Occ: Launderess.
She was born in Gravesend Kent, and was single at the time.RG14; Piece: 1929.

But I still can't find Edward Thomas Hickman on the 1901 -

Brick Wall???
Any suggestions?

Regards
Gillianr

[Willow 4873]

Someone has a public tree on Ancestry who have George married to the Alice I mentioned earlier and they have his father down as being Charles they are in Westmorland in the 1881 then in the 1891 census in Battersea after that they vanish

There is a possible marriage 1877 in the Dudley are of George Hickman and an Alice Rimmer 6c 1843 is the reference

They vanish after 1891 so maybe they emigrated? It might be worth e-mailing the owner of the tree to see where they got the information from

Willow x

[gillianR]

Hi Willow

I have just e.mailed the owner of the Hickman Tree which you told me about.
Actually I had already seen the 1881 and 1891 census returns, but did not think it was George Hickman due to the occupation, Inland Revenue Worker. (What was I thinking?? Maybe I thought he was not intelligent enough for that type of job:( seeing that the rest of the family were Blacksmiths and worked in iron. Ah well, I could well have been wrong.
Also, though, this person I have contacted, does not appear to have him on the 1871 or 1901
same as me. His other census returns match up with mine. I will wait and see what happens.
Once again, thanks for your input,
Best wishes
gillianr

[Willow 4873]

No problem I will keep looking pity we cant find a transcript of the marriage certificate that would pin it down

Willow x