Margaret Whelan

[guest225400]

Hello,

I have been really stumped by this woman named Margret Whelan.

She is my great great grandmother, and she was born about 1894. Her son, James Frederick Bayley was my great grandfather.

The confusing thing is that you cannot find James Frederick born as a Bayley in 1919/1920 but you can find a James Frederick born as a Whelan in 1919/1920. The mothers maiden name is Whelan. He actually was born in 1919/1920.

You would presume that this is James, but my grandmother has a birth certificate that says he was registered in September, but he was born in February. He was actually born in February. The parents are given as Margaret and John Stansbie Bayley. The child is named as Bayley.

If you look for a marriage of John Stansbie Bayley and Margaret Whelan, you cannot find one.

For some reason I though she was from Ireland, but still I cannot find anything!

I really don't know what to do, this has been a problem for some time now!

I would really appreciate your help,

[groom]

Have you actually seen the birth certificate to see if that gives anymore clues? If he was born in February and the birth registered in September could it be a re registration after the parents married? If she was Irish, perhaps the marriage took place in Ireland. 

[emeltom]

There is also the possibility that he was adopted by the Bayleys.
Emeltom

[groom]

Looking at Freebmd, that James F Whelan seems to have been registered twice, unless it it is a huge coincidence. It doesn't look as if that is your James

Births Sep 1920   
 
Haydock    James F    Whelan    Northwich    8a   495      
Whelan    James F    Whelan    Northwich    8a   495      

Is this his death?

James Frederick Bayley
birth 29 Feb 1920
death Aug 2001
South Cheshire, Cheshire, England


 

[groom]

What about this as a possibility? Fits with his birth on the death registration


James Frederick Bailey
Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
Dublin North
Volume:   2
FHL Film Number:   101078

[guest225400]

This is the death. I don't think he was born in Ireland, but I suppose it's always a possibility. I just find it odd that there is no marriage of Margaret and John Stansbie. Adoption could be a possibility, but I would see it as quite unlikely.

[groom]

my grandmother has a birth certificate that says he was registered in September, but he was born in Februar

Have you actually seen the birth certificate as that will give his place of birth as well - I think you need to start with that. That would at least eliminate the Irish one.

[guest225400]

I have seen it, but not in detail. When I think about it now, I think it said Northwich or Nantwich, not Ireland.

Thinking about that, I remembered that I saw a glimps of Margaret Whelan's birth certificate. It was in Irish (or what I think is Irish) but had English translation. The parents had odd names, but I can't remember what they were. That's all I can remeber about it.

I am not able to have another look at the certificates.

[Annette7]

Possible marriage for John and Margaret in Ireland:

Unfortunately, there are 5 couples on the same page but they include a John Bayley (no S.) and a Margaret Whelan - June quarter 1919 Dublin South - volume 2, page 682.

Annette