Agnes McMahon in Aramac, Ipsiwch and Rockhampton, Queensland

[sparrett]

 
If Im looking for Vivian McMahons death notice is Trove the best place to do that?

Thanks

Vivian McMAHON only appears once on the electoral Roll (as given in 1958)

In 1951 he returned from overseas on ship New Australia according to this item (previously posted by Jennaya) 

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z15/ 

He and  Lilly (nee BAVISTER and listed as McMAHON) returned from  a visit to   England in 1959  (listed by Merlin) where their last address had been in Norfolk, but they had registered to vote in 1958, so not a very long trip perhaps.

Lily and her first husband were divorced in 1945 and by the 1954 Electoral Roll Lilly Elizabeth HUGHES is at Frederick St. Toowong doing HD’s.  No street number is listed. There is another of the surname at a similar address who may or may not be relevant.

In 1963 and 1968, the E Roll shows Lilly McMAHON  at 81 Frederick Street, Toowong.  Vivian is not listed.



Sue

[Revolution]

Hi everyone

1. I got the marriage certificate for Ellen May McMahon and Thomas Philip Smith today.
Ellens mother listed as Agnes Maria McMahon - no father listed. Ellen was living at Ellenborough Street, Ipsiwch and was aged 18 years. They were married in St Marys Church, Ipswich on 26 Nov 1918 (a typo as it took place in 1919).

*Edit* to add the witnesses. David Hecksher and Agnes Martin

2. I spoke to another family member about Kevin Hamilton McMahon and the link mentioned earlier about him being raised by the Creech family. They advised that Kevin was fostered not adopted. When the Creech mother died they listed Kevin as their foster son on her death certificate. He lived with the Creechs all his life so the fostering wasnt for a few months or years. They dont know how Agnes knew the Creech family. They havent found a link

[sparrett]

Hi everyone



2. I spoke to another family member about Kevin Hamilton McMahon and the link mentioned earlier about him being raised by the Creech family. They advised that Kevin was fostered not adopted. When the Creech mother died they listed Kevin as their foster son on her death certificate. He lived with the Creechs all his life so the fostering wasnt for a few months or years. They dont know how Agnes knew the Creech family. They havent found a link

There was little to differentiate the two terms -foster/adopt-in those times.
Laws regarding legal adoption appeared in Victoria in 1928

http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/adoption-and-wardship

Sue

[Jennaya]

Hi Cerberus coins

It's good that you were able to find out about Kevin Hamilton. The brick wall is slowly being chipped away.

Regards
Jennaya

[Revolution]

Hi

I heard from the genealogical society today:

Unfortunately there were no records for your family in St. Mary's Ipswich baptism index. However I did find in the marriage index records marriage records for:

William Frederick McMahon to Millicent Fullelove
Kevin Hamilton McMahon to Ivy Margaret Fowler
Ellen May McMahon to Thomas Philip Smith

Is there any benefit in ordering copies of these records - would they differ from the marriage certificates from the QLD BDM?

[cando]

They were married in St Marys Church, Ipswich on 26 Nov 1918 (a typo as it took place in 1919).

Have you considered the parish record in Nov 1918 is correct and the marriage was registered in 1919.

1919/   C3079
McMAHON Ellen May
SMITH Thomas Philip    

Cando

[Revolution]

Hi Cando

I think the registration took place 3 days after the event but will look into it when I get home.

[Revolution]

Hi All

Just a quick update. In case there was any doubt I have received confirmation (by a daughter of one of Agnes children) that Kevin, Ellen, William and Vivian were all adopted/fostered out and were the children of Agnes Maria McMahon. Agnes Maria as she was known to the family after they found out she was their biological mother was quite involved in their lives.

I havent been able to find Vivian McMahons death nor any of the other childrens foster parents.

One of our family who I have gotten in contact with since you all helped me find the linkages has suggested:

There is a reference of Vivian crossing from Liverpool England to New York  on the "Adriatic" 29 May 1926. He states that he was an American national and that his last address was with a Mrs J Ryan of Peak Crossing near Ipswich Brisbane.

Through the voting rolls I found at Peak Crossing a John Ryan and wife Bridget Frances.  This couple were married in 1885 and had daughters Margaret b 19 Jan 1891 and Eileen Josephine b 10 Oct 1891.  They would be the right age to foster/adopt a child b 1905. 

Apart from this info there are two other records for a Vivian McMahon travelling - another in 1926 working on board as a trimmer and another in 1956 going from Germany to the USA.

I havent found any death record for the USA or UK or any state in Australia. I ordered his wifes death certificate which lists him as her second husband. She had 4 kids to her first husband but none to him.

[sparrett]

It was noted somewhere in this very interesting thread (I think) that the death certificate of Mrs CREECH listed Kevin (nee MCMAHON) as her foster son.

Here is the death of Bridget RYAN.

Yr1956 REG  B12842 Bridget Francis RYAN
Parents Joseph NEMETH  Anne DOYLE** late Buxton

Is it worth opening the wallet again?

Sue

ADDING- It was Reply #109 that mentioned it