Agnes McMahon in Aramac, Ipsiwch and Rockhampton, Queensland

[Revolution]

Hi,

A maybe.

1903 Electoral Roll.
Agnes McMahon
Brisbane Street, Ipswich
Domestic Servant.

Gerry

In 1905 there was Agnes McMahon (domestic servant) and Agnes Marie McMahon (domestic duties) - both of Brisbane street, Ipswich

[Jennaya]

Engagement notice SMH 30 Aug1952
"McMAHON—HULME-MOIR The Engagement is announced of Louisa Beryl only daughter of Mrs V B Hulme-Moir, of Willoughby, to Vivian McMahon, in Korea, younger son of the late Mr and Mrs McMahon, of Queensland."  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yye/
Marriage must not have taken place as Louisa Beryl Hulme-Moir died Sept 1989
http://www.heavenaddress.com/Louisa-Beryl-Hulme-Moir/130099/



The Korean war service gives the following dates of service:
Start of service   
4 October 1952   

End of Service   
7 November 1952

So it looks like he was in Korea and getting engaged before the official start of his war service.

Regards
jennaya

[cando]

I have been trying to trace my great great grandmother Agnes McMahon time in Aramac, Ipswich and Rockhampton, Queensland. On all her childrens birth certificates she stated she was born in Aramac around 1881 although I have not been able to find a birth certificate on the Queensland BDM website nor confirmation of a birthplace.

Could you please type up ALL the information on the birth certificates please and I think the 1911 birth in Rockhampton is vital   to validate the research that Agnes may have married in Rockhampton and had one child and a possible second one in 1920.

It is necessary to purchase the 1913 marriage certificate to compare the bride's signature with those on the birth certificates you hold. It would also give you her place of birth.

Not everyone enrolled to vote and if Agnes Mary was not born until 1884 then she should would not have been eligible to vote in 1903 only in 1905 if she turned 21 before close of rolls prior to election day in that year.

Australian Electoral Roll
1908
McMAHON Agnes Mary 267 Alma Street, Rockhampton  Dressmaker
McMAHON John James  267 Alma Street, Rockhampton  Labourer
McMAHON Mary  267 Alma Street, Rockhampton  Home duties.

1913
TUSTAIN Frederick Thomas  Cnr Alma & Stanley Street, Rockhampton  Labourer

1919
TUSTAIN Agnes Mary Frances  267 Alma Street, Rockhampton  Dressmaker

Cando

Edited to highlight the addresses as they are the same as the illegitimate birth to Agnes Mary McMAHON in 1911.

[cando]

Do you know if the Brisbane Street, Ipswich address was an institution?

It would appear that the Salvation Army had homes for unmarried mothers in Rockhampton and ?Ipswich.  I understand they also had homes for the children of these unmarried women.

Cando

Edit to add info.

[~MERLIN~]

It appears that Vivian Promethues MCMAHON did marry Lil(l)y Elizabeth (nee BAVISTER, formerly HUGHES). Sue found them on the ERoll in Reply #14.

Passenger list from the UK to Sydney 1959 - their birth dates prove them to be the correct couple:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yyn/

Lily Elizabeth BAVISTER b. 19 Aug 1907 Parents: Edwin BAVISTER & Mary Elizabeth BUCKENHAM #009271.
Her first marriage was 15 Dec 1928 was to Harold Gleeson HUGHES #003338
She died Lilly Elizabeth MCMAHON 5 Aug 1976 Parents: Edwin BAVISTER & Mary Elizabeth BUCKENHAM  #B71171

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yyo/

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Birth certificate info:

Kevin Hamilton McMahon
Lady Bowen Hospital, Wickham Terrace, Brisbane
Born: 6 October 1899
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 19 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Breakfast Creek
Registrar signed it 25 October 1899
There is a BD date of 1969
There are miscellaneous other dates 6 April 1935, 26 Sept 88, 17 Nov 1994, .19.26

Ellen May McMahon
Pine Street, North Ipswich
Born: 5 May 1901
Living Years: Kevin Hamilton 1 10/12
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 20 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Pine Street, North Ipswich
Registrar signed it 13 May 1901
BD 12359/47, other date 20 Nov 1863

William Frederick McMahon
Brisbane Street, Ipswich
Born: 3 August 1903
Living Years: Kevin Hamilton 3, Ellen May 2
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 23 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Brisbane Street, Ipswich
Registrar signed it 30 Sep 1903
Dates: 1/6/38, 15 Jun 1951

Vivian Promethues McMahon
Brisbane Street, Ipswich
Born: 10 Jul 1905
Living Years: Kevin Hamilton 5, Ellen May 4, William Frederick 2
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 24 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Brisbane Street, Ipswich
Registrar signed it 3 Aug 1905
Dates: BM 1954, 21 Jan 1987

Eileen McMahon
Womens Hospital, West Street, Rockhampton
Born: 12 April 1911
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 24 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Alma Street, Rockhampton
Registrar signed it 18 April 1911

[sparrett]

There is a family tree on Ancestry which indicates that Kevin was adopted at birth by William and Margaret CREECH and changed his surname back to McMAHON when he was about 21.

 
Debra 

There is circumstantial evidence to support this.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114584733?searchTerm="kevin creech"&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*

1911 Kevin CREECH, a schoolboy recited something at a function to mark Arbor Day at Cloyna School July 1911.

There are no further BMD  records in the name Kevin CREECH in QLD, including birth.
A couple named William CREECH and Margaret Mary (nee TYRELL) had a number of chn in the 1890’s in QLD and a few infant and early deaths too.

W. Creech was on the committee of the school as noted in this article.

A death notice for William CREECH in 1919 notes a family of daughters and one son, but does not name them.

Sue

[cando]

Thank you. 

Eileen McMahon
Womens Hospital, West Street, Rockhampton
Born: 12 April 1911
Mother: Agnes McMahon, 24 years old from Aramac, Queensland
Certified in writing by Agnes McMahon, mother, Alma Street, Rockhampton
Registrar signed it 18 April 1911

Are the signatures of the mothers on all the birth certificates identical?

Address of the mother on the 1911 birth certificate is the same on the electoral roll for Agnes Mary McMAHON and Agnes Mary TUSTAIN

Something not quite right here with the ages. 

19 years in 1899
20 years in 1901
23 years in 1903
24 years in 1905
24 years in 1911

No previous births noted on the 1911 birth registration.

Marriage
1883
McMAHON John James
McMAHON Mary
8 Nov 1883

Births to John James McMAHON and Mary McMAHON nee McMAHON.  I'm having internet problems today and the Qld BDM site is very slow and so is the subscription based website. 
1884
McMAHON Agnes Mary

1886
McMAHON John James

1888
McMAHON Elizabeth Kate

1892
McMAHON Margaret Ann

1896
McMAHON Eileen Maud

Cando

[Revolution]

Agreed the 1911 birth doesnt convincingly match the previous ones. Perhaps by this stage all kids were adopted and she sought a fresh start?

Perhaps the registrar didnt ask the information.

These I do not believe are the signatures of the mother but are the writing of the registrar or the nurse attendee.