IRELAND: Family mystery!!

[Chattykathy]

On my Fanning group --  no "official" variations, but I've found the right people under the wrong spelling several times --  the obvious variations and then there was "Fanningers"  --  only found that by paging thru 35 pages of 1880 census as it wasn't in the transcriptions rightly OR wrongly!!

kathy

[liverpool annie]

1901
10 Gasking St Plymouth

John Fewings Head 28 Printers Machinist Plymouth
Mary Fewings Wife  28                             Plymouth
Vera Rosina May       3                             Plymouth
Reginald Alfred John  1                             Plymouth

PS
On Kev's posting - 1891 William John and John Thomas  were Printer's Machinists

[Chattykathy]

Annie,  Brilliant!

So this would seem to be James Fewings'  brother John,  his younger brother shown in the 1881 Census and in 1891 as "Fenning" with his widowed mother, with his family. 

Seems to also go to the possible date confusion between
James  b. 1872 but really is 1866  in Torquay
John     b. 1873 Plymouth

And the connection to the printing profession!

Nice!  Just hope it fits in to Margaret's other finding??

kathy

[liverpool annie]

Our friend Kevin (That's his Sunday name - even though it's only Thursday!!)
told me he had found it -  I looked again and there it was...
in the words of the poet - Easy peezy lemon squeezy !!!
though I wonder if this isn't one Margaret already has !!

We're probably at a standstill until Margaret answers with some information
we think she has - where are you Margaret

Annie

[Chattykathy]

Hi Margaret!  Hope you haven't gone on Holiday!

Well I have major egg on my face  .  When I reviewed your past posts to catch up on your search, I checked only under your current Chat name and also saw some of your postings under your previous Chat name.  However, the posts under Mags913 only showed if they were connected to your Aggiebagwash posting.  SO, mea culpa mea culpa,  all your postings and replies under Mags913 were not found.

So think everything we have found recently is a rehash x3 of everything you already have discovered from others on the various boards as well as your own resources.  We are only going to confuse everything further.  I know I'm confused!

So maybe after you have sorted, sifted and reconstituted your info, you should repost with what your new findings are as they pertain to your remaining mysteries and someone may be able to help from that point on.

I will say, from all the name changing, date and name confusion and coincidences,  it is looking more and more that Kathleen (or whatever her name was --  as you say it does not show on her birth certificate) was perhaps James Fewing/Fenning/Fanning's own child.  And perhaps the name and its spelling was lost in translation between his Devonshire accent and the Dublin Registrar's  Irish hearing and writing.  How the potential mothers fit in is perplxing:  Is the birth mother Ester Wigmore Fanning, is that her right name? or is the birth mother someone else entirely? 
I can't fathom at this point.

So very best of luck to you in your continued search! 

Regards,
kathy

[Kevwood]

Jane Fewings death

Dec 1899 Devonport (age 65)

5b 262

Kev

[Kevwood]

Rosinas second marriage was to Frank Edward Brown

1901 census:

Rosina J Brown Widow 1866 Plymouth
Bertram Brown son 1895 East Stonehouse

Address is unclear.

RG13/2104
Folio 45
Page 4

Kev.

[aggiebagwash]

Hi Everyone

Well I have certainly confused everybody haven't I? I didn't mean to I just found the website and over a period of time sort of put a few messages out. Sorrrry everyone.

Would it help if I separated the families.

The Masterson family lived in Dublin

Bridget (my grandmother) was born to Thomas and Mary Masterson nee Clinche 2nd February 1877 they lived at 23 Denzille St. South Dublin

Bridget married James Richard Hatch Fewings 30th April 1899. She lived at 15 Grenville St. He lived at 44 Clarence St. Witness Mary Masterson.

Kathleen Fanning born to James and Esther Fanning nee Wigmore 1899. 16 North Cumberland St. Dublin. I can't say whether she used the name Fanning or Fewings. Some documents I have say Fewings and others Fanning. I think that for legal reasons she used her own name and for family reasons Fewings. She never married.

No known connection between the two families.

The Fewings family from Devon.

James Richard Hatch Fewings born 1870 to William and Jane Fewings. Born 5 Masons Row Torquay. 1871 census family found in Plymouth. James aged 5 months.

On the 1881 census for Paignton all the ages, places of birth and names are mixed up. It is impossible to decode where William states he was born. William died August 1881.

The family moved back to Plymouth after his death I cannot find James on the 1891 census he seems to disappear until I found his marriage by pure chance in Dublin. I also knew very little about Rosina until I found her marriage and Jane's death.

Going back a generation. James Richard's father William Fewings married Jane Hatch 1856 Plymouth. His marriage certificate gives a witness James Fewings. I have always wondered if he was William's brother/cousin?

Just recently found on the 1861 census for Plymouth a James Fewings born Witheridge age 29. On familysearch.com I found a James Fewings christened 30th May 1830 son of John and Ann at Witheridge. Is this the same John and Ann parents of William born in Creacombe? If so then it is William's brother. The birth would slot in nicely between William (1828) and Maria (1832).


Confused!!! Well so am I. Annie if its easy, pezzy lemon squeezy as you say I should be flying. 

Kathy and Annie. Do you really want my maternal and paternal sides? Here goes!!

Paternal

Fewings all Devon.
Hatch, Hannaford, Penny from South Brent and Widecombe in the Moor in Devon.

Masterson 19th century Dublin
Clinche 19th century

Maternal

Morrison from Stirling Scotland
Duncanson from Stirling Scotland

Foley born India (suspect father from Ireland).
Moneypenny from Naas Kildare and Dublin.

The Chew, Berry, Smith, Roberts and Johnson are my husband's family who have been reasonably easy to trace with a few exceptions.


Well everyone if you aren't asleep by the time you get to the end of this message I would like to know why?

I really envy you being able to log on at any time as I am restricted to evenings as I work in a school and anything with 'chat' in is blocked. I usually find ten minutes at lunchtime to do a little research but this site is well and truly out of bounds I'm afraid.

If you could come up with a few ideas I would be very grateful.

Regards

Margaret

P.S I haven't forgotten you Kev thanks for the info. I hadn't found any of the family on the 1891 census but I must confess that I thought I could sail back into the distant past and then move forward to fill in the gaps. How wrong I was.

[liverpool annie]

Hi Margaret!

Well - I'm really glad you gave us the summary - but this takes some thinking now and we need to catch up on our sleep before we start again!!

I'm curious and I'd like to find out - but Kathy's beat -  and I'm beat -  we burned the midnight oil over this one !! and it's the holiday weekend coming up  -  4th of July and all that - and I'd love to be able to work on it some more - but I know I'm not going to be able to spend too much time on it for the next few days at least
I don't think Kathy can either - so maybe we could pick it up next week -  but in the meantime if anybody else wants to jump in -  that would be great!!

If you think of anything else Margaret - post it OK?

And if I find anything I'll be sure to post too!!

Have a great night

Annie