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James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« on: Tuesday 13 May 14 00:38 BST (UK) »
Hi!  I have been stuck on this ancestor for YEARS now.  :-\

James McDonald b. Dec 1831 Scotland
Arrived in US: 1851
In Iowa until 1862/63
Went to CO in 1862/63
Census says he was a tailor
d. 24 Oct, 1908, Georgetown, Clear Creek, CO

Wife: Susan (Susie) McGinn (?) b. abt 1838 Ireland  d. 1877

Children:
James
John
Edward
Mary
Agnes
Susan (Susie)
Angeline (twin)
Flora (twin)
Margaret
Emma

Anyway, on to my question:
   I haven't been able to locate much on James, i.e, a ship he sailed on to the US (through Canada or the US), where in Scotland he came from, if he went to Ireland first (according to family records, he married Susan in Ireland) and sailed from there, etc.
   I found one cemetery listing for his name (d. 1908) for the Alvarado Cemetery, but I can't find his name on any of the headstones listed for that cemetery.  I believe I read a couple years ago that there was a cemetery in the area that they dug up and moved to make space for buildings, and maybe he was buried there? 
   I am just STUCK, and it's getting really frustrating, since he is one of the last ones I need info on. ???  I don't want to order a death record until I find out for sure it is for him, there seemed to be a few "James McDonald's" in the area around this time.

   I thank you for ANY help you are able to give!
         ~Darby
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James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 May 14 05:56 BST (UK) »
Hi!  I have been stuck on this ancestor for YEARS now.  :-\

James McDonald b. Dec 1831 Scotland
Arrived in US: 1851
In Iowa until 1862/63
Went to CO in 1862/63
Census says he was a tailor
d. 24 Oct, 1908, Georgetown, Clear Creek, CO

Wife: Susan (Susie) McGinn (?) b. abt 1838 Ireland  d. 1877

Children:
James
John
Edward
Mary
Agnes
Susan (Susie)
Angeline (twin)
Flora (twin)
Margaret
Emma

Anyway, on to my question:
   I haven't been able to locate much on James, i.e, a ship he sailed on to the US (through Canada or the US), where in Scotland he came from, if he went to Ireland first (according to family records, he married Susan in Ireland) and sailed from there, etc.
   I found one cemetery listing for his name (d. 1908) for the Alvarado Cemetery, but I can't find his name on any of the headstones listed for that cemetery.  I believe I read a couple years ago that there was a cemetery in the area that they dug up and moved to make space for buildings, and maybe he was buried there? 
   I am just STUCK, and it's getting really frustrating, since he is one of the last ones I need info on. ???  I don't want to order a death record until I find out for sure it is for him, there seemed to be a few "James McDonald's" in the area around this time.

   I thank you for ANY help you are able to give!
         ~Darby

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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 04:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Darby:

Welcome to RootsChat.

I've not been able to find anything for you, but I wonder if this is just coincidental, or if there is some connection?

Selected US Fed Census Non-Population Schedule, Sioux City, Woodbury Co., Iowa - 1 June 1860
Jas McDonald, "Taylor". Listed right above James is
Jas Hutchins, "Taylor"

"Past and present of Sioux City and Woodbury County, Iowa"
James Hutchins was mentioned.  Mr. Hutchins was born 19 November 1831 in Bath, Somersetshire, England...when he was 11 years old he began to learn the tailor's trade.  At the age of 19, he left England and arrived in New York City in 1851.

Was it just coincidence that the men were listed next to each other on the Sioux City census, or could they have met on board a ship and eventually settled in the same town?   ???
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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 15:49 BST (UK) »
Have you looked through the Foothills Genealogical Society website?

http://foothillsgenealogy.org/cpage.php?pt=24

Maybe there is something there that will help.  In the link to Boyer Funeral Home, it mentions the "Estate of James McDonald" in Oct. of 1908.  I haven't looked through it all, but there may be something there that will help.


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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 23:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Darby:

Welcome to RootsChat.

I've not been able to find anything for you, but I wonder if this is just coincidental, or if there is some connection?

Selected US Fed Census Non-Population Schedule, Sioux City, Woodbury Co., Iowa - 1 June 1860
Jas McDonald, "Taylor". Listed right above James is
Jas Hutchins, "Taylor"

"Past and present of Sioux City and Woodbury County, Iowa"
James Hutchins was mentioned.  Mr. Hutchins was born 19 November 1831 in Bath, Somersetshire, England...when he was 11 years old he began to learn the tailor's trade.  At the age of 19, he left England and arrived in New York City in 1851.

Was it just coincidence that the men were listed next to each other on the Sioux City census, or could they have met on board a ship and eventually settled in the same town?   ???

Thanks a bunch!  I bet if I look up ship manifests, it might be easier to locate James now, that he seems to have found a friend on board, as well as a port of entry!  James was in Iowa before he moved to Colorado.  I have some digging to do, thanks again!
McDonald
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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 23:38 BST (UK) »
Have you looked through the Foothills Genealogical Society website?

http://foothillsgenealogy.org/cpage.php?pt=24

Maybe there is something there that will help.  In the link to Boyer Funeral Home, it mentions the "Estate of James McDonald" in Oct. of 1908.  I haven't looked through it all, but there may be something there that will help.

Thank you VERY much for this!  I do think that is him on there, as I found his daughter listed right below him, and the date is correct.  I think I will be writing to them and getting copies of the records they have found.
   Thank you again!
McDonald
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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 May 14 19:30 BST (UK) »
Until a few years ago, I thought my Stuart ancestor was the only family member to leave Ireland and settle in Canada.  We now believe (we cannot yet confirm it) that we found his parents and at least 3 brothers and 2 sisters living in his (Canadian) town and neighbouring towns.  I wonder if your McDonald/McGinn couple's siblings could have also settled in North America?

There is a bit of a glitch, but I wonder if there could be a connection...
1880 Boulder census
James Mc Donnald, age 47, Tailor, born Scotland as were parents.  His children are also listed.
Shown on the same page:
John R(?) McDonald, age 38, Huckster(?), born Scotland, father born Scotland, mother born New York  :-\
Susan McDonald, age 39, wife, Keeping House, born Maine as were parents
Also in this household:
Geo W McDonald, age 20, brother, Express Waggon, born Ohio, father born Scotland, mother born New York

To see how many McDon*/Mc Don* (born in Scotland) were living in Boulder in 1880, I tried a search and the only "hits" were for the two men.  Was it just a coincidence that (if the search truly produced the correct results) only two McDon*/Mc Don* (born in Scotland) were living in Boulder and were shown on the same page or could the men have been related?  It might be worth researching the other family to see if there is a connection.

If you haven't already done so, and you are fairly certain that Susan's surname was McGinn, it might be worthwhile to see if any of her family members came to the states (by searching McGinn, born Ireland c1838, etc.).

Was it somewhat common to see the McDonnald spelling?  Are you certain their name was McDonald and not McDonnell?   :-\  Just something to think about.
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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 May 14 01:46 BST (UK) »
His children were:
James (Iowa)
John (Iowa)
Edward (Denver)
Mary (Denver)
Agnes (Denver)
Susan (Denver)
Angeline (Boulder)
Flora (Boulder)
Margaret (unk. CO)
Emma (unk. CO)

So it could be possible that they are relations of his in Boulder!  It is so nice to have a new set of eyes to look at this stuff!

I am not 100% sure Susan's (the mother) last name was McGinn, that is just the name on the family papers I received.  She passed away (1877) before they moved to Boulder, so she wouldn't be on that census.

I have seen a couple items where is was spelled McDonnald, but that sometimes happens with the census, I have found. ;)

I am writing to the Foothills Gen. Soc., tonight, and sending off my check so they can gather and send back (hopefully) whatever information they have on James.

I sincerely appreciate your time in helping me!!!
McDonald
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Saxe (Sax)
Ashcroft
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Re: James McDonald (mid 1800's) Clear Creek, CO
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 May 14 03:43 BST (UK) »
It is nice to "give back" after I've received wonderful help from RootsChatters.   :)

Part of the reason I cannot be positive of my Stuart ancestors is due to the fact that while quite a few of them are buried in one cemetery, the existing records only include their names - no plot numbers or ages at their times of death.

I found a site that I felt had a beautiful write-up about some Colorado cemeteries:
http://www.frontrangeliving.com/escapes/cemeteries.htm
I've been looking around the internet and have read a bit about Colorado cemeteries, and I think the above site mentioned the deterioration of some of the old markers.  If you have not read the article, it might be worth doing so.  It explains a bit about old cemeteries.

I will check back here later tonight; sorry I cannot stay right now.
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