Winifred Toinette ? a real Lancashire mystery

[Paul Morrell]

Does anyone have a Winifred Toinette ?  in their family tree ? I am not sure of her surname / maiden name. All I have / know, is that she was the common-law wife of a Thomas P Moran from around 1935 until his death in 1963. She took on his surname but as far as I know they never married.

I do know that she was born around 1901, I have read that she originally came from Lancashire. She may have come from a family that were in some kind of business, as she had a business herself allegedly operating from two premesis in Derby around 1946 - 1947. Sadly I do not know the nature of the business as Derby / Derbyshire local studies have no trade directories covering the years 1941 - 1952.

Along with Thomas Moran, she was a political speaker in the 1930`s and 1940`s, with strong anti-semitic views. So maybe she originally came from an area with a strong Jewish community ? She may have even been of Jewish extraction herself ? As strange as it sounds I have read of similar cases.

I realise it is a long shot, but can anyone help please ? Does anyone have a black sheep by the name of Winifred Toinette ?

Thank you

[avm228]

Hi there

It will be helpful if you post a link here to your other thread about Winifred (on the London & Middlesex board), both for background and to avoid duplication.

[MargP]

Here is the related link, I hope this works

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=687280.msg5314109#msg5314109

[heywood]

Hi Paul,

I see from your thread on Thomas, that you gave the Wikipedia entry.
Are you personally connected to the Morans or researching them for another purpose?

Regards
Heywood

[garstonite]

after reading both threads - this one and the London / Middlesex one ....I wonder if these births of 2 girls   1956 / 1953 are  connected
dec qtr 1956 M C L Toinette    PADDINGTON 5d 240    mmn Rambogus
there is also another birth mar 1953 of M C N Toinette    mmn Rambocus  ( first christian name same as the 1956 birth )  I presumed the first one died - but ...not showing in the deaths on www.freebmd.org.uk
you say she was born around 1901 - so too old to have given birth to these two girls
where did you get the info she was born around 1901 ??
as these 2 TOINETTE are the only 2 records of that surname ??...ie - there is no marriage of Toinette / Rambocus ...I would think there is some connection somewhere

[MargP]

Hi

There is a, Winifred Antoinette Sheldon b 1909 Reading Berkshire I can not give full details due to copyright issues.

Margp

[heywood]

I think it is meant to be a middle name. As Paul,says, she calls herself Toni.
I wondered if it was Antoinette but there are other Toinettes in various indexes.

Searching for her shows brief mentions in a book which is not available in google books and in one it says Toni Moran  a.k.a. Mrs Sharpe. Unfortunately, it could mean anything as there is nothing further.

[heywood]

Hi

There is a, Winifred Antoinette Sheldon b 1909 Reading Berkshire I can not give full details due to copyright issues.

Margp

I looked at her before Marg and there is a marriage and death for her.

[MargP]

Hi Heywood

I can only see a death for her

Winifred Antoinette Sheldon

Birth Date 4 Nov 1908

Died Dec 1993

Reg Surrey Mid-eastern

Reg
2B

Dist
7562B

Entry No
203

Marg