(*Completed with thanks*)Scotland's People .. Cannot Find Records .. Why?

[loobylooayr]

Hi Gadget,
That was the record I was looking at . But (although it could be an error) he is recorded as married, when both his brother and I assume his sister are declared as Widowed.
Just seemed a little odd that a man who was a Railway Station Master with a brother who was an Auctioneer (both I would have thought good positions) is a Carter a few years later. Mind you, anything is possible 
Looby

[New Zealander]

Gadget

There is no record of marriage between James Bryce and Janet "Jessie" Bryce nee Miller. 

Janet Miller and her family lived at Oakbank, West Lothian.  On her Death Cert in 1933 in New Zealand there is a note that she was married at Wishaw, Scotland in 1868 .. she would have been aged  20 years.  In 1872 she gave birth to an illegitimate daughter Margaret.  In 1874 she gave birth to a son Alexander where James Bryce is the father.  On this Birth Cert it is recorded she was married on 31.12.1872  at Dollar, Clackmannanshire.  There is no record of any marriage between James Bryce and Jessie Bryce nee Miller anywhere in Scotland or New Zealand... they were never married.

On James Bryce's Death Cert in 1930 in New Zealand it is recorded that his father was Robert Bryce and his mother Isabella Mackay.  This is not correct as I have James Bryce's Birth Cert where his father is Robert Bryce and mother Margaret Little.  Isabella MacKay was his step mother.

In the 1851 Census I have James Bryce,  scholar aged 6 years with Margaret McKenzie in the Parish of St Cuthbert's Edinburgh.  I have no record of Robert Bryce in the 1851 Census but believed he moved back to Glasgow.

Alex G

[New Zealander]

Hello again ....

I have been unable to as yet locate Robert Bryce on the 1851 Census.  If this record that Gadget and Looby have for the 1851 Census is correct for Robert and James aged 6 years living with mother Agnes then I believe it is the information I am seeking of Robert Bryce's birth.

I have a record where John Bryce and Agnes Wood married in 1799  and had a large family.  There is a Robert Bryce born in 1811 which is supported by the 1851 Census.

Alex G

[Gadget]

James's baptism record records Robert as a railway porter. I see that one of the witnesses was a William Bryce. James was bpt in Glasgow. The 1851 James that you cite was born Linlithgow.  Why do you think that James was in Edinburgh in 1851, rather than the one that I found?


Gadget

[Gadget]

Ignore my last query - I see that you now think the 1851 in Lanark is correct.  Still can't find a death for him though 


Gadget

[loobylooayr]

1851 - the family are at Kingsonknowe , Lanark , Lanarkshire

Agnes Bryce Head W   74 b Lanark Lanarkshire            
Jane Bryce   Dau    U 51     b Lanark           
William Bryce Son W   46 Auctioneer b Lanark           
Robert Bryce Son M 39 Former Railway Station Master  b Lanark           
James Bryce Grnson 6 b Lanark           
Margret Small Dau W 35 b  Lanark           
William Small Grnson 11 Scholar b Lanark           
Agness Small Grndau 9 b Lanark           
James Small grnson 7   Scholar b Lanark           
Elisabeth Small Grndau 5 b Lanark           
 
Added- I see that you are noe inclining towards this family with James rather than the Linlithgow born boy.

[Gadget]

Yes, Looby, that's the one I was referring to. Alex has got that one now.

Gadget

[loobylooayr]

1861 Census.
Hawick, Roxburghshire.
 1 Melgund Place.
Robert Bryce age  46 Lodger  Unmarried  Occupation Letter Carrier no 1 born Lanark, Lanarkshire   

Could this be Robert working away from home?

[loobylooayr]

Ignore that last post.
I was getting carried away 
There is another Robert Bryce born Lanark, Lanarkshire on the 1851 at Hawick.
Drat and double drat