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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 23:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie  ;D

I think another thread would be fab! We need to come up with a great title for it!

I saw this when rereading from page 1 ...not sure what you meant by it ...
[info about later years from intro to diary on Westminster Archvies site - needs expanding]

I was also wondering what happened to all Granny Shepard's children. There was mention of her throwing them all together to get the small pox ... I wonder if many died from that. I tried to see if some of her children may have married .... Just too many Shepards with dad's named John.

THE VIRTUES OF SMALLPOX

'See these smallpox marks on my face?  They were very common seventy years ago.  No one thought anything of them.  No one was so much afraid of smallpox.

It was looked on as a kill or cure disease.

My grandmother, who had eleven children, used to say 'If one has it, let them all associate and sleep together and catch it and get it over.'  She did that with hers, but they wouldn't all take it, no matter what she did.

We thought it an impious act to vaccinate.  Religious people generally did.'


What happened to Ann?? I checked marriages again today just in case one fit ...Nothing!

Why would the directory say Fitzroy Sq. as his bookseller address?

I just LOVE the idea that he had a bookshop or worked in one.

I also love the fact that when you google "Nathaniel Bryceson" our threads are the first hit!

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 23:09 BST (UK) »
Just a thought... we should reread this thread in order to expand on the summary. Wasn't the elusive "Mrs. Skiriker", the stalked one found here.  ;D ;D

Matthew Ward's death was also found. Poor Mary, we have her burial but not cause of death.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 May 14 00:02 BST (UK) »
I will start another thread now Deb. Agree that a snappy title would be great, but unsure if I can manage that. (I can always change it if mine is too pathetic.  :)) I think I will ask a moderator to split this thread starting from your post yesterday.  :)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 May 14 01:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks Trystan! Love that it's a massive topic LOL  ;D ;D

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 May 14 01:47 BST (UK) »
I wonder what threads have the most hits on RC.

We need to do a new summary ...
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 May 14 07:21 BST (UK) »
[Thank you kind Trystan for splitting the old thread and starting this new one] :-*

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 May 14 07:34 BST (UK) »
I wonder what threads have the most hits on RC.

We need to do a new summary ...

Deb I did do some sums on the number of pages these Nathaniel threads ran over, but I threw it out ages ago.
I will try to get back into the swing of things later when I have some quiet time. I will do a "Summary Part 2" as well, unless you have already done one Deb?


I saw this when rereading from page 1 ...not sure what you meant by it ...
[info about later years from intro to diary on Westminster Archvies site - needs expanding]


Deb, on the time line I wrote up, the information about Nathaniel's later years came from something which was written years ago for Westminster Archives. I thought we could/should expand on it, and probably check it as well.
Prime example - they obviously didn't know Nat was once a bookseller.
I'm sure we could bulk the whole time line out a lot.

Something which has been frustrating me is that we haven't managed to find Mary Ward's death certificate though we do have her burial. I will have to go back over this to check what we have already searched.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 May 14 07:48 BST (UK) »
TIMELINE AS I HAVE IT TO DATE (sadly I have to split it into 2):
[Part 1]


3rd Jan 1750
Matthew Ward (father of step father Matthew Ward) born

14 June 1771
Mary Lea (Granny Shepard) born
chr 26 Jul 1771
Saint Martin, Birmingham
father: Charles Lea
mother: Mary   

26th June 1784
Matthew Ward born
chr 25 July 1784
St Mary, St Marylebone Rod, St Marylebone
father: Matthew Ward
mother: Ann

10 May 1796
John Shepard = Mary Lea (Granny Shepard)
St Andrew by the Wardrobe

27 June 1797 
Mary Shepard born
chr 23 Jul 1797
Old Church St Pancras
father: John, mother: Mary

9 Oct 1801
Ann Fox born

9 June 1803 -
(Uncle) John Shepard born
chr 3 July 1803
Old Church St Pancras
father: John, mother: Mary

14 Apr 1818
Mary Sheppard = John Bryceson
St Martin in the Fields Westminster
wits: John Shepard, H. Bryceson

28th Apr 1824
John Bryceson, age 39, abode: St Martin in the Field,
buried Pentonville Chapel, St James, Clerkenwell

5th June 1826 
Nathaniel White born (in the workhouse)
christened 4 Jul 1826
mother: Mary Bryson
father: Nathaniel White, occupation: Pauper

2nd May 1831
Burial - St Pancras
John Sheppard of Stephen Street age 63 years (so b 1768)
[this may be husband of Granny Sheppard]

1840-1841
Nathaniel worked as errand boy for Miss Isabella Emery

1841 census taken 6/7 June

1841 census
Richmond buildings
Richard Vagg, 39, Tailor, N
Catherine Vagg, 39, N
Nathaniel (surname dittoed) 13 Y
[This may be Nathaniel - note the address][Matthew Ward is a page away from this family in this census]

1841 census
Mary Bryceson has not been found

1841 census
Richmond Buildings
Matthew Ward 56 tailor Y

1841 census
Great Quebec St, Marylebone
Nathaniel White 50 chairmaker N
(possibly Nathaniel's real father)
I have this Nathaniel White through the censuses and his death in 1862. Unsure if he is the correct Nathaniel. He was born in Watford Hertfordshire.

1841 census
Stephen St, St Pancras
Sophia Ollive 50 Dressmaker Y
Ann Fox 30 FS Y

1841 census
Stephen Street
Mary Sheppard 73 N (Granny Shepard)
John Sheppard 35 stone mason Y (Uncle John)
Joseph Lloyd 20
Elizabeth Lloyd 25

27th June 1841
St Ann Westminster
Matthew Ward, full age, Tailor, living: Richmond Buildings, father: Matthew Ward, Tailor
= Mary Bryceson, full age, wid, living: Dean St, father: John Sheperd, mason

18th May 1846 
Nathaniel moved into Richmond Buildings

20th May 1846 
Granny Shepard moved into Richmond Buildings

1st June 1846
Uncle John Shepard age 43, has his first bath (worthy of a mention in the timeline)

29 Oct 1847 
Burial - St Anne, Soho 
Mary Ward, Richmond Buildings, age 50 (so born 1797)

27th March 1851
Death - Matthew Ward
Registration District: Strand, sub-district of St Anne Westminster
9 Richmond Buildings   
age 66
occupation: Tailor
cause of death: Chronic Bronchitis
Informant: Ann Gullan present at death 9 Richmond Buildings Soho. Ann is a neighbour.

1851 census taken 30th/31st March

1851 census
Tottenham Court
Strand Union workhouse
Mary Shepard, wid, 80, mangler b Birmingham
(26 pages of inmates here)

1851 census
9 Richmond Buildings
John Shepard 47 stone sawyer b St Pancras
Nathaniel Bryceson nephew 24 b Marylebone

1851 census
27 Stephen Street
Cock Family
John Burns
Mary Elizth Kennington, unm 63, mangling, b Middlesex, St James Piccadilly
Ann Fox, 49, Charwoman, b Middlesex, Queen St

20th Nov 1851
Parish of St Pancras
Mary Shepard buried, age 80, abode: Infirmary

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 May 14 07:49 BST (UK) »
[Part 2]

1852 
Nathaniel moved from Richmond Buildings to Islington

June 18 1854
Nathaniel Bryceson, full age, commercial clerk, residence: Edwards Cottages, father: Nathaniel Bryceson, cabinet maker
= Sarah Clark

1861 census taken 7th/8th April

1861 census
10 Edward's Cottages, Islington
Nathaniel 34 coal merchant's clerk b Marylebone
Sarah wife b Herts Barnet
Nathaniel son 4 b Islington
Sarah M daur 2
John S son 1

1861 census
6 Douglas Street, Westminster
John Shepard lodger unmar 57 stone sawyer b St Pancras

1868
death certificate: John Sheperd, male age 64 years, Stone Sawyer,
died 17 Jan 1868 6 Douglas Street, Westminster, 
Diarrhoea 5 weeks,
Informant: Jane Sulch/Lulch, present at the death

1871 census
10 Edwards Cottages, Islington
Nathaniel 44 coal merchant's clerk b Marylebone
Sarah 45 b Herts Barnet
Nathaniel son 14 errand boy b Islington
Sarah M daur 12
John S son 10
Henry son 7

1881 census
48 Essex Rd, Islington Green Nth
Nathaniel 54 accountant
Sarah wife 55
Nathaniel son 24 undertaker
Sarah daur 22
John son 21 compositor
Henry son 17 builder's labourer

1890
Sarah, Nathaniel's wife died

1891 census
4 Charlton Place, Islington
Nathaniel head wid 65 accountant
Henry son 27 unmar timekeeper

Nathaniel is listed in Kelly's till 1895 as an accountant

1901 census
Warren Street, Clerkenwell
Nathaniel 74 widr commercial clerk b St.Marylebone
Emma Morris servt single 64 b St Giles in the Fields

23rd March 1911
Nathaniel died, 102 Dempsey St, Stepney (at his daughter Sarah Stangroom's house)
Son Henry was the informant.
Cause of death: Senile Degeneration Exhaustion
Buried Islington Cemetery, Finchley
[Bryceson Nathaniel; No. 139239; Abode, Dempsey St, Stepney; Class 2; V2; 1229P - buried with son Nathaniel who died in February 1911] 

[info about later years from intro to diary on Westminster Archives site - I need to expand this later stuff and will add more as the diary reveals more]



Islington Cemetery in Finchley.
February 1911
Name: Bryceson Nathaniel; No. 138957; Abode (!) Royal Free Hospital; Class of grave, 3; Block V2 Grave 1229P