Help with William BROWN Convict

[Akira01000]

Hi All,

I have posted a previous topic on this, however, my research has since taken a new path [http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=568668.msg4208909#msg4208909]

Details are as follows:

William Brown Born c1809 (Derby, Derbyshire, England) - Note From son's baptism record Nathaniel Brown (born/ Bapt Sydney, New South Wales, Australia)

Married Matilda Watson c1843 (Sydney, New South Wales, Australia)

William Brown Died 1890 (Sydney, New South Wales Australia)

I have gone through hundreds of records for convicts to New South Wales, between 1828 - 1843 as on his death estimated arrival in the colony was 1830 (stated he'd been in the state of NSW for 60 years in 1890.

However, I have found inconsistent information and it has been somewhat unclear for an age 1809 he would have been 21 when arriving in Australia from the UK.

I believe it could be the Mermaid and or the Lady Nugent, but I think the age is wrong for the Lady Nugent and he may have died earlier. Leaving the mermaid, but I haven't found consistent information to confirm the record is correct.

If someone could assist in helping me clarify as there have been so many William Brown's/Browne's and aliased convicts with the name William Brown I have gone through I'm still not entirely sure I have the correct record.

Thanks in Advance
Akira

[Neil Todd]

Do you have his court and conviction record, this may narrow things down. It may.....if lucky also record the ship.

Neil
ADDED:
This is a link of Old Bailey Records. It has all the William Brown's with offences convictions of those who were transported.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01748/

[giblet]

What year was Nathaniel baptised / birth reg?

This is the only one i can find with parents William and Matilda 

1859/1871    BROWN    NATHANIEL    WILLIAM    MATILDA    SYDNEY 

[Neil Todd]

I am surprised he or Matilda didn't die earlier. They rarely came up for air. Lots of little Brown's

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0174d/     

Neil

[giblet]

I am surprised he or Matilda didn't die earlier. They rarely came up for air. Lots of little Brown's

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0174d/     

Neil

  They needed a hobby outside of the home.

I think there are 2 or  more families amongst them. There are a couple of William Brown's who married Matilda's.

1843    BROWN    WILLIAM    WATSON    MATILDA    JB
1843    BROWN    WILLIAM    WATSON    MATILDA    JB
1856    BROWN    WILLIAM    LAMBDEN    MATILDA    PARRAMATTA
1880    BROWN    JAMES WILLIAM    LAMBERT    MATILDA    LAMBTON

[Neil Todd]

Have come across an odd bit about this William and an apparent name change FROM William BRUCE after he arrived in Australia.

I think he is the one married 1843 to Matilda Watson.
Her death Rec
MATILDA  BROWN, UNKNOWN WATSON, DIED SYDNEY, REF # 1133/1887   

Neil

[Akira01000]

Hi Neil / Giblet,

Thanks for your replies, conviction place I found a ticket of leave that says notts (possibly nottingham assizes?) that would be not far from derby in Derbyshire.

I have noticed there is some duplication between the records for william brown in Sydney and in Parramatta they may be the same family.

BROWN   William       Mermaid    1830   39/1433       Ticket of Leave   District: Parramatta; Tried: Notts ass

Children
William George Brown 1843
John Brown 1845
Mary Brown 1848
Sarah Brown 1850
Matilda Brown 1852
Elizabeth Brown 1859
Rebecca Brown 1861
Samuel Brown 1864 -1867
Samuel Robert Brown 1868
Nathaniel Brown 1871

William Brown's Parents are if it helps William Brown and Emma / Elizabeth (his fathers occupation Blacksmith)

I've had a look at the old bailey records you sent can't find the William Brown conviction date could be 1829 as I found http://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_mermaid_1830.htm the ship left in 1829 and arrived in 6/7 May 1830 in Port Jackson / Sydney Cove.

I also looked up the Sydney Gazette and found two articles and notifications on the same day 7/8 May 1830 from trove.

Things seem to be matching up just havent gotten anything concrete so cant be certain this is correct.

Cheers
Akira

[Akira01000]

Have come across an odd bit about this William and an apparent name change FROM William BRUCE after he arrived in Australia. ??? ::)

I think he is the one married 1843 to Matilda Watson.
Her death Rec
MATILDA  BROWN, UNKNOWN WATSON, DIED SYDNEY, REF # 1133/1887   

Hi Neil,

I have been doing this for a while as mentioned in that post.

 It was a fellow researcher whilst doing the family of the brown's that they had mentioned his name could have been bruce.

I havent found any browns aliased as Bruce and vice versa. So haven't confirmed this avenue of research.

Cheers
Akira

[giblet]

Wouldnt Matilda Watson have been to old to be the mother of Nathaniel Brown 1871