Anomolies on Marriage Certificates

[carol8353]

So let's set them out so we know who we're looking for.

This seems to be the right family in 1891?

Joseph Hadley    35 labourer ironworks b West Brom
Rachel Hadley    34 wife Breeze Washer b Tipton
Joseph Hadley    13 son b Oldbury Worcs
Ann Hadley    10 dau "
Edward Hadley    8 son "
Rebecca Hadley    6 dau "
James Randall    22 nephew b Tipton

So the oldest son was born before 1880 and the nephew who was born in Tipton is likely to be from her side of the family.
   

[carol8353]

And this is the same family in 1881.

Joseph Hadly    21 puddler at ironworks b Staffs
Rachael Hadly    23 breeze washer b Tivdale? Staffs
Joseph Hadly    1 son b OLdbury
Fanny Richards    19 boarder Breeze washer b Birmingham.

And this does indeed seem to be her death

Deaths Mar 1893   
 
Hadley    Rachel   age  35    W. Bromwich    6b   507
    

[carol8353]

He seems to have been mistranscribed on Free BMD as HAWLEY.

Marriages Sep 1877   

HALL    Albert        W. Bromwich    6b   938    
Hawley    Joseph         W. Bromwich    6b   938   
PAIN    Rachel         W Bromwich    6b   938   
Sullivan    Sarah Ann         W. Bromwich    6b   938   

OOps sorry iluleah didn't see that you'd posted that yesterday 

[carol8353]

A 13 year old Rachel Homer with widowed mum Ann age 61 in 1871 does seem to fit.


RG10/3001
Folio number    37
Page    8

[carol8353]

And in 1861 she's still with widowed mum Ann,and this could be dad's death?

Deaths Jun 1860   

HOMER    Abel        Dudley    6c   6

[sylvielou]

Hello Carol, thanks for your interest.  Yes, this is the correct family, and the Homer family, glad you have come to the same conclusions as I have.  There still remains the marriage certificate with Rachel Pain on it and the birth certificate of her second son where Rachel's maiden name is given as Homer.  I wonder if it is just an error, but how could such an error be made on a marriage certificate by the clergyman who conducted the marriage?  I am at my wits end, plus my friend who I am doing this for is adamant the marriage certificate is not the correct one.  Regarding Hawley, the writing on the certificate is awful and it reads to me as Hadley, for which I have found an entry, as well as the Hawley one.

[carol8353]

It might be interesting to try and view the actual parish register and look at those entries either side of the Rachel and Joseph one.See if the vicar makes anymore obvious mistakes.

I have one of my ancestors where the vicar has completed the marriage cert calling him James.
His name was John,he clearly signed as John ,so goodness knows where James came from.

Mad or senior moment perhaps ?

 

Also by looking at the actual parish reg you can see if that was completed correctly and he made the error when filling their copy out- no photocopies in those days of course!

[Craclyn]

Here is a possible baptism for nephew James Randall (Randel) in Tipton:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ4H-JXR
Parents William Randel and Eleanora. Maybe her maiden name might give som clues is she was Rachelīs sister.

[sylvielou]

Hi Craclyn, you possibly have hit the nail on the head, and I have been having a very very senior moment for weeks!  Of course the copy certificate I have is not of the original which would have gone to the bride and groom, but is a copy of the details which were sent to the GRO or whatever it was called in 1877.  So it is highly possible that either the vicar or the gro clerk have put the wrong name in. 
I had thought that the registers were not available for some reason but have looked again now and find I read wrongly: the originals are available  at Smethwick Library and the Bishops Transcripts are also available in the Worcestershire Archives.   So I will get on to that.  Thank you so much reminding me that there were no photocopiers in 1877!!!!!  What an idiot I am.

As for James Randall thanks for finding the entry; I am not sure either Joseph or Rachel had a sister Eleanora, but will have another search.  One witness on the marriage certificate I have is Mary Ann Randel, so there is obviously a connection but I havent been able to find it so far.  Again, thanks so much: I didnt realise I would get so much help coming on rootschat, just wondered if anybody could point me in the right direction.  Sylvia