Isaac Whitehouse where were you?

[rolnora]

Could this be Maria in 1891


Maria Whitehouse widow 60
Ann Griffin widow  50
RG12; Piece: 2384; Folio: 58; Page: 49

[Trees]

oo yes there was a Griffin on an earlier census wasn't there so where was Ann then now that's worth a hunt isn't it
I am very grateful for all your help rolnora many thanks this is helping a great deal
There is a strong connection to Sutton Coldfield with the siblings sister Elizabeth Ray was baptised in Erdington in 1831 but of Sutton Coldfield
Oddly Elizabeth seems to be baptised twice once in Erdington in 5 Sep 1830 and again in St Philips  26 Dec 1831 Birmingham with Maria (Mrs Isaac Whitehouse ) and Frederick. Elizabeth is the youngest
Elizabeth's father was William a brickmaker on both baptisms and mother Susanna but in St Philips the address was Cross Street and in Erdington it was Sutton Coldfield I think they have moved back to Sutton Coldfield their father's birth town shortly after Elizabeth was born but what is really strange is the joint baptism is after the one in Erdington and the next child was baptised in Erdington 7 jun 1833

Oh look they were in Erdington I wonder if that was what Maria was trying to say on that 1901 census when she seems to be from Edgerston Cheshire
Do you think that is likely?

[Trees]

Ok Ann REA REAY RAY born birmingham 1836 WHERE WERE YOU hiding in 1891???
We have her nicely on the 1871 a, 1881 and 1901 censuses but not the 1891 i've tried all the variations I can think of on both An..ry and FindMyPast There are several possible deaths for her spous William and in 1881 she was with him but a widow in 1901 If they are together in 1991 it will slim down the  hunt for him

[rolnora]

Hi Trees,
I've been having a look round this morning and I don't think that the Ann Rae living with William is Isaac's sister. I think she could be Ann Griffin, who on the 1861 census is married to John Griffin and they have a son William Griffin b 1859 boarding with William Rae and his family.
  RG 9; Piece: 2152; Folio: 63; Page: 30

I can't find the Griffin family on the 1881 census but I haven't had time to look any further than that yet.
I found a birth record on FreeBMD for a William Griffin in 1858 but can't see anything for a William Rae.

The county given for Maria as Ches on the 1901 census could have been a mistake on the part of the enumerator and I'm now wondering if Ann Griffin's age could also be a mistake because if this is the same person it's way out.
What do you think?

[rolnora]

Could be this is the same Ann Griffin on the 1891 census living with Maria?
Her age is 50 on that census as well 
She can't have married William Rae so if this is the same person did she revert to her married name when he died?

[rolnora]

I think I'm wrong.
 Ann is hardly likely to use the name Griffin on the 1891 census and Rae on the others plus her age is to far out to be feasible.
It's back to the drawing board 

[Trees]

Umm yes I looked at the Ann Griffin in 1891 but in 1901 its Ann REAY with Maria then Ann was 67
but if it is Ann Griffin who is partner to William I don't think he is married to her I need to look at the son William again. William and Sarah had a William in 1856 so he fits the one with William and Ann and is absent from both the 1871 and 1881 for Sarah so I think he is the one with William
So I need to check who Ann Griffin was and look at her age
OOps sorry you have answered that one.So we are back with Ann Whitehouse do you agree

[Trees]

I now have the registrations and baptisms of all William and Sarah's children the only odd thing is the youngest one John Amsley reg Q1 1870 bapt Sep 1871 as John Hemsley
twi things the second name sounds like a surname and its after the 1871 census when William is with the Whitehouses would she have baptised him late in the absence of William ( he is lon the baptism as a striker just as on the other baptisms. So was john by a different father really with the surname Helsley is this why William has left? Umm
Was Ann using REA as she was with William or was she already a Rea when he went to the Whitehouse home in 1871 is that where they met

[rolnora]

Trees,

I don't know what to think at the minute about Ann
What makes you think she's a Whitehouse and a sibling of Isaac?
Have you tried to trace that side of this family?