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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #36 on: Monday 14 July 14 19:58 BST (UK) »
If anyone can read the original as I have tried to do, they must have eyes like a sewer rat  :o
[Or have a better scanned image] - Anyone else got 1841 Yorkshire census set on disc?
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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #37 on: Monday 14 July 14 21:03 BST (UK) »
I think the name could be Ann. Have the look at the household below, the 45 year old female has the same first name. Or the A in Agl Lab of the male in next household.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #38 on: Monday 14 July 14 21:24 BST (UK) »
Now having another look, it compares exactly :)
So Ann it must be, no joy with the index supplied with census set.
 Brian
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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #39 on: Monday 14 July 14 22:12 BST (UK) »
OK, thanks folks.
So it looks like I need to find an Ann BEARDSHALL born c1829 (aged 11 in 1841)

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 15 July 14 10:26 BST (UK) »
Just looked at the above again ...

If Ann is 11, then she can't be a BEARDSHALL; Mary Beardshall is only 20 on this (although I believe she was nearer 22/23) so she couldn't have produced a child when she was 9 to 12!

The ditto marks MUST refer to the HAGUE family in the house, which would make sense looking at the arrangement of children, which seems to be all the boys first (although oddly not in age order) followed by the girls (with Mary's children following immediately after her) finishing with the youngest Hague girl in the household.

I THINK that's right anyway. :)

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 15 July 14 11:43 BST (UK) »
For the 1841 census,adults above the age of 15 were told that they could enter their ages to the nearest 5 or 10 so anyone 15-19 could be entered as 15,and those 20-24 might appear as 20.

Not all enumerators did that though and found it easier just to put someone's correct age  ;)

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 15 July 14 11:48 BST (UK) »
Yes, Carol, I knew that, but I still fail to see why it wasn't easier just to write the person's age in the first place. Unless they didn't know it! :)

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 15 July 14 11:49 BST (UK) »
there's an enumerator's mark before Ann to show she is a separate household within the house. She could be a niece to Sarah.

As Carol said, ages on the 1841 were meant to be rounded down to the nearest 5, so Mary could be up to 25, but still probably not Ann's mother. 1841 does not show relationships, so nothing to link Mary to George Hague. By 1851, George has died and Mary is shown as the daughter of widowed Sarah.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 15 July 14 12:37 BST (UK) »
there's an enumerator's mark before Ann to show she is a separate household within the house. She could be a niece to Sarah.


I can see an enumerator's mark (two lines) on the same line that Ann's name is written. This means that she is the last person in that particular household.

I was also wondering if Ann might be a niece, Or other relative of Mary Beardshall as Mary would not be her mother.

Hague family and Beardshall families are living next door to each other but are separate families.