Adoptions

[bron63]

Hi I'm trying to find information about my great great grandmother Agnes May firth born 1862 in Cassius came from mudgee nsw she was adopted with her sister Mary Ann after their mother past away Frances jane firth in 1864 the girls FATHER may have aboriginal heritage Walter sherry mayor of mudgee took care of them until this time .can anyone look up record for this event would be appreciated as need verification of them being aboriginal

[Neil Todd]

There are no births registered to Frances FIRTH in NSW? I checked both Mudgee and CASSILIS. Her death IS recorded in Mudgee in 1864 however. Were the children born under her name or the fathers?

Formal adoptions did not begin in NSW until the 20th century so it is unlikely anything would be on public record. Until then most were just organised by a church or as you say by the local Mayor.

Neil

[bron63]

On her marriage certificate her last name is firth, What we know of is when mother died Walter sherry and his wife took care of the girls . Agnes may was born in 1862 married William James baker in Mudgee 1882
died 30th June 1927 in Annandale  nsw . Trying to find out the events from her birth until she got married 1882 its a mystery

[Neil Todd]

It is unlikely events of a girls life between birth and marriage would be on some sort of record that is available to view

If the NSW BDM was functioning with any kind of reasonable certainty then you may find a record of an earlier marriage, currently it is not and is practically impossible to use. Have you tried TROVE for any mentions, sometimes events in someones life have been noteworthy enough to reach the papers.

As for validating the girls aboriginality, this would be extremely difficult unless some history of the either the father or the mother were known.

Neil

[Neil Todd]

Hmm off the OLD NSW BDM which,..... surprise, surprise is STILL working for me there is this record, which has a different mothers name?

AGNES M SHUGG,  FATHER, JOHN C, MOTHER ELIZABETH AT CASSILIS REF # 6978/1862.

Neil 

[rosball]

Not much help but ...

here is death notice for Walter SHERRY http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14447785

and an obit which mentions he leaves a widow but no family  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14456449

regards,
   Ros

[Neil Todd]

Other children born to this couple?

6978/1862 AGNES M CASSILIS   
2956/1864 ANNIE  GLEBE   
3074/1867 EDWIN J GLEBE   
3464/1869 ALFRED J GLEBE   
9620/1860 EMMA MUSWELLBROOK

It is possible that the two children you mention were not those of John C SHUGG, but from a liaison between Elizabeth and another Man The other man, possibly FIRTH? Could be aboriginal?

Neil

[bron63]

Neil that has nothing to do with them.

[Neil Todd]

OK