Knighton from Liverpool born 1902

[heywood]

I can't find suitable marriages for Elizabeth or Eliza.

1851 has an interesting family

James Cook 31 yrs Lace Maker b Arnold, Notts
Eliza 34 yrs b Radbourne, Derbyshire
William 2 yrs b Derby
Ann 8 months b Nottingham

The children fit as does Eliza/ Elizabeth's place of birth in 1861. I would say that this is Elizabeth who is 'married' to James Knighton in 1861.

[jimrob]

Are these 2 families maybe -- the problem of dupicate names here ?
The 1861 census also shows the James Knighton, there, with wife Elizabeth was a 43 year old lacemaker born Arnold Nottinghamshire.
The Bandage Maker James Knighton, in 1971 was only 5 years older at 49, born in Arnold, Notts,  married to Eliza, age 38, born Hull, Yorks, with 3 children, Arthur, (3 years) James (8 months) and Annie (2 years?) -- still interesting though.

[heywood]

I think there could be two scenarios:

James Cook / Knighton are the same person

Eliza/Elizabeth Cook and her children William and Ann go to live with James Knighton 1851-1861

[heywood]

1841 has a James Knighton 20 yrs, Lace maker  in the household of Walter Knighton 25 yrs in Albion Street Nottingham.

There is a James Cook in Arnold and one in Nottingham.

I can't see a James Knighton  in 1851.

[jimrob]

And the son Wiilliam Knighton does appear to be, at 33 in 1881, much older than the other younger children
Arther at 13, James at 11 -- somewhat difficult to account for -- except William from the earlier marriage to Elizabeth, maybe remained a while in Derbyshire and late joined his father, now by 1871 married to Eliza, with 3 new children of hers. Arthur, James, and Anny -- and by 1881 William has shown up with them all -- but not the older Ann listed 1861

[heywood]

Knighton
1861
William 12 yrs
Ann 10 yrs

1871
Anny 21 yrs - no William to be seen anywhere 

1881
William 33 yrs

[jimrob]

1871:  And add Arthur 3 and James, 8 months, to Anny for the 1871 census. (No William)
1881:  And with William 33 in 1881, we have Artur, James and John A, aged 7,
1891:  Only John Albert
All still at Rye Hill Cottages in Nottingham -- but James Senior (68) is shown as being from London City, instead of Nottingham -- I assume that's a transcription error , it was his wife Jane from London City.

[heywood]

I was only mentioning the two children who would be in 1851 census - William and Ann - possibly Cook.

There is a big question there. Are James Cook and James Knighton the same person or did James Knighton marry or cohabit with Mrs Cook.

It may be best though to confirm James W's death- if that is him and perhaps then you would have to start collecting birth certificates to establish the two Eliza/Elizabeths.

[jimrob]

I will give that some thought, although it is not essential for me to know the whole history, especially since I have no contact personaly with any of the Knighton family - Thanks, it has been interesting to speculate and more may come to light yet. JimR.