Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage

[John McDermott]

HI  Tara my name is John McDermott Maureens cousin in Swindon England, I'm a bit confused about the first wedding of Frank as it shows he had a son Francis William born 1868 and his wife was Teresa McNamara   which all works very nicely with his later marriage to Jane Dawson. I have been to Lauragh and seen where the house was they were servants i've been inside the church at Coolbangher as well. hope to here from you soon Regards John

[taramcdsmall]

Hi John and Welcome !

First question is do you have a marriage for Frank to Teresa McNamara ?

Tara

[John McDermott]

Hi Tara I'm trying to get my head round rootschat at the moment, in answer to your question i don't  have any certificates but i will try and get them from another person i have made contact with. this is very confusing as i thought i had it all worked out.
                                                   kind regards John

[taramcdsmall]

Hi John

Yes, please do get back to me with what paperwork that any of your family members have for Frank.

I will then do my utmost to help you guys piece this all together.

There is usually a simple explanation 

Tara

[John McDermott]

this is the information we have received from someone in Australia, who claims her tree connect to ours.  However, we are not sure we are talking about the same Francis McDermott, which is where she has made the connection, through one of Frances wives Jane Dawson.

The attachment is too big to send, can we have an email address to send separately please?

[taramcdsmall]

I'm afraid that I don't give out my email address.

What is the attachment that you are tying to send ?

Tara

[John McDermott]

Hi Tara it's a family tree of McDermott's from Australia showing Francis married to Teresa McNamara with a son called Francis, they employed a genealogist's in Ireland to do it for them but they missed my Grandfather of the list.
                         regards John

[taramcdsmall]

Is the tree on ancestry do you know ?

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Hi John

OK I can see this other persons tree on ancestry.

Firstly I must state that I am NOT a professional genealogist.

Given that this other person hired a PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST I would usually defer to those with credentials BUT there is one vital issue that I would like your family to note.

The tree states, and I can only presume that they were given this information by the hired genealogist, that Francis was from Dundrum.

HUM

Dundrum is NOT in Wicklow - where ALL his census records state that he was from.

ALSO

Did you see the prison record that I gave you guys whereby Francis states that he was from Delgany in Wicklow.

The tree had given Francis ALL sorts of siblings based on a Dundrum family but I REALLY don't think this is the correct scenario.

ALSO

The tree states that there was a marriage for a Francis McDermott to a Teresa McNamara in 1868 YET there is NOTHING to back this up attached to the tree.

There is a child stated as being Francis McDermott Junior born 1868 to this couple and this is where the Australian Contingency enter the frame.

This is Francis Junior

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5ZX-ZY4

SO WHERE TO FROM HERE 

There are a few scenarios ~

We know that Jane Dawson is 100% correct and is the mother of John McDermott, and this is of course the most important part of the tree as it's where you and Maureen come into the frame.

We know that Francis was a widower when he married Jane.

BUT he could have been a widower TWICE over.

He could have been married to Teresa McNamara, had a child called Francis and then Teresa passed away.

He could then have gone on to marry Mary Clements, had a daughter called Maria, and then Mary died.

He then, either way, went on to marry Jane Dawson.

There could also have been illegitimacy.

We know that he was married and widowed prior to Jane BUT it could have just been ONE of these ladies, making either of these 2 children illegitimate.

It's SUCH a shame that for some reason Francis was not fond of getting his marriages and children's baptisms officially registered.

Tara