Which name for Rachel wife of Robert Rennie - Quebec Canada

[J.J.]

hmmm...I lied...I just found this and don't want any more notes...It is important to realize there will be many spellings for the name....

Hyppolite Deneau, son of Simon & Marguerite m Josette Masson. He is still living in Russeltown in 1852......spelling??   Denio, Polite 
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=69274&highlight=28
also a Josepth Denio or Deniu on the page in Russeltown... http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=69282

that one & next were transcribed as Denis
Amable Deneau married  St.Chrysostome ( Russeltown is considered in that district now) to Theotiste Lefebvre
spelling: Amable Denio & Lefevre, Thaise...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=69244
Eduard, also as Denis  http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=69234&highlight=9

P.S. I found some who are called Dano to this day. Phonetics.

[J.J.]

The above just reminded me that a labourer ( domestic?) for the Renny's there was a Denno/Dumo/Dunno ( Emere?) female in 1852
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=68892

aha! and also in 1852 a few pages before the Rennie family in Hemmingford township
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=68884&highlight=11
adding: Oh shoot I thought it might have been Jacque, brother of Simon, but what does the F mean, France? or French


Here's a few more spellings I just found Denauit, Deneault

[J.J.]

I was shut out every time I tried to get on this weekend...Although no proof exists these were relatives, I'll post what I find & I'll add more if I find more. 

This site has the basic info for some of the family below marked * (F.T.) means online family tree
http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/  The site defaults all derivitives to standard DENAULT
 (F.T.) Marie Joseph DENEAU, b. 1797 / d. Dec.1797 St. Philippe, Laprairie
*Marriage of Simon & Marie Marguerite 1798
*Marie Louise DENEAU, b. 1798, Laprairie  ( Louise Denault was the godmother)
         *Simon's sister Marie Louise married 1799, father Etienne & Simon, Francois & Paul signed)
 (F.T.)Marie Esther DENAULT chr.  July 24,  1818 Saint-Philippe,Laprairie,Quebec (FHS submission)
       https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MJ4B-SQP
(F.T.)Marguerite Deneau-married 1827, St-Constant, La Prairie, to Charles-Joseph Désautels
(F.T.)Josephte Deneault-married 1838, Ste-Martine, Châteaugua to Édouard Lefebvre
(F.T.)Émérance-Émérentienne Deneau-married 1838, Ste-Martine, Châteauguay to Jean-Baptiste
        Beauvais\St-Gemme\St-James
(F.T.)Apolline Deneault-married 29 September 1840, Ste-Martine, Châteauguay, to Augustin Arel\Harel
(F.T.) Amable whom I found in 1852 census, first married in 1825  La Prairie to Sophie Brosseau
http://gw.geneanet.org/ra41dr07?lang=en;p=amable;n=deneau;oc=2

[J.J.]

Etienne Jeremie Denault died 1820 La Prairie. My thoughts are that this could have been where the name may have been reversed to Denault Jeremie to honour him. This is not fact, just a thought. There also appear to have been a great deal of marriages to relatives as I see the repetition of the names coming around again over the centuries. Changing the name could have been to avoid frowns from the clergy. It may also have been to set the family apart from the many Denault, Denault dit Detailly in their surrounding area. Not everyone used the Jeremy dit on census or documents ...& it appears Francois was person we find used it most, but then if you read the previously submitted information, they were also in the limelight...( Not sure if Constant, Pierre & Hypollite were his )   Constant denault dit Jeremie & R. Theophile ( a.k.a. Hypollite?) Jeremie are both shown to be fur traders...both may be Francois sons? Not positive.


Francois was known to man the ship Eduard , The Jeremie & just found him listed as builder of The De Salaberry ( built by F Decelles dit Jeremie, Laprairie, Quebec )
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/1823/tjun14.shtml


Adding more Denault spellings...There are lots more, too many to list... to help descendants find the thread: Denaud, Denaut, Denautt, Dunnout, Denno, Denio, Daigneau Daignault Deniau, Deneau, Daigneault, Deneaux, Deonux, DeNiau, Deneuth, Daigneault, Daignault  also dit: Detailly, Destailles, Detailly, Ditaly, Detilly 

[J.J.]

Here is a submission for siblings of Simon https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:33XT-Y36

From: http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/
all baptisms & deaths LaPrairie note that spellings will not be found as listed here.
correct parents listed means Father:Etienne Jeremie Denault / mother:  Marie Josephe Brosseau

 no middle name Jeremie and no mother matches, so not sure if  a fit
1759   male Denault Etienne Jeremie / father Etienne / no mother listed

1760 Bapt La Prairie male Etienne Hippolyte  /correct parents listed /also signed Jacques Denault
1761  femaleMarie Josephe /correct parents listed
1763   female Marie Charlotte / correct parents listed
1765   male Jacques /  correct parents listed
1766   female  Marie Therese /  correct parents listed
1768   male  Francois Marie  /  correct parents listed
1769   female Josephe /  correct parents listed
1771   female Marie Angelique  /  correct parents listed
1773   bapt & death male Casimir  /  correct parents listed
1774   male Denault Simon  /  correct parents listed
1776   bapt & death  female Marie Eleonore /  correct parents listed
1778   female Michelle Archange  /  correct parents listed

no middle name Jeremie for father and no mother matches, so not sure if  a fit
1780  female  MARIE LOUISE

If you'd like to look back on this line in the future ( hopefully enough tie-ins might one day turn up )  there is some online info on the ancestors...the original Deneau dit Destailly from France
 

[J.J.]

The name is still relevent to the hunt so enjoy this page which tells of the patriarch & the so far unrelated man with the same surname, who came from France at the same time ...
http://lequebecunehistoiredefamille.com/capsule/Daignault-Daigneault/genealogie  Google translates a so-so result...I often use other translators in order to get a better to understand result...

I simply have to add this of the LaPrairie ancestor-Marin de Niault who may have named his area in La Praire " Le Teille"  in honor of the town in France, but read throug,there are other thoughts on this...such as... The 1666 census of Montreal gives Marin the surname of Sully and so this may have referred to Sully-sur-Loire... Interesting reading...and who knows what is correct... Much like the new story we have compiled.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Rebecca-Thomas-MA/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0268.html

[suzee]

Oh JJ you have been very busy - I also could not get on yesterday so was really surprised when I got the notification late this afternoon. It is amazing the variations in the spelling for the name. I am going to have to do a lot of reading and cross referencing over the next few days!! or weeks just to get my head around all this new info !!
Once again thank you
Suzee

[J.J.]

You can sift through it all at your leasure....The more I see about this family the more I know what to look for and look back into..altho I will probably leave it for now... We now know for certain the name was not written Dinand, but Dinaud...I wonder if the version used by the original settlers was the one defaulted to in the site I gave you...Mind you the version still would have been up to the person writing the info unless they were known to write, and it wasn't a common thing to be able to back then...

....and that the actual surname was later said with final consonant or without ( silent)*. There indeed was a part of the family that used Jeremie and whether or not it was actually used in hers is still not proven. Anyone could add a nickname in those days... It may have been put on the stone because it was by then a recognized version of a well used name. ( thanks to the ones who made the news of the day with their achievements & antics)

  The original pioneers Deneau/Denault appear to have populated a great deal of Quebec and some northeast U.S. with the first 3 each having ten children, and so on.( looking at Etienne's family Simon may have had 12 siblings or more, at least ten lived on)
  I do suggest reading through the thread once again as something might spark you as well.
 

*Most of us in Canada do not often speak well enough to pronounce our "ts" well anyway,...lazy tongue, they are often said as "ds" My father," the teacher" tried ever so hard to instill this in my son...who, at four yers old, found it all a bit confusing. After my sister's marriage he was exhausted & announced that he never again wanted to be taken to another "WETTING!" ....heehee