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Offline Revolution

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Page Crest of Devonshire
« on: Saturday 23 August 14 05:31 BST (UK) »
Hi

One of our family researchers in the mid 1990s tried to follow up the Page Crest. Our Page family starts with Theophilus Page 1784-1837 born and died in Dublin, Ireland. He was the son of William Page and Elizabeth (surname unknown).

When my ancestor moved from Ireland to New Zealand in the 1850s she took with her the family silver marked with the Page family crest. Ive attached an image of one of the silver spoons passed down through the generations. The second image is the crest it is based on and the response we received in 1994 about the crest.

Is there any more information about this crest that might tell us why we had a silverware collection with the Page crest? Who was entitled to bear this crest?

Any info is appreciated.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Offline davidbappleton

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Re: Page Crest of Devonshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 August 14 19:01 BST (UK) »
>Is there any more information about this crest that might tell us why we had a
>silverware collection with the Page crest?

Are you certain that the crest belongs to a Page?  A quick review of Fairbairn's Crests indicates some 210 family names from Acheson to Wynn, missing only the letters I, Q, U, X, Y, and Z (some are variant spellings, e.g., Page/Paige, Read/Reade, but that still leaves at least a good 150 or more) which bear the crest of "an eagle displayed" of some tincture.

If it is the Page crest, neither Fairbairn's nor Burke's General Armory is of much help.  They each cite but Page or Paige of Devonshire, and Page of Chester (Burke's gives a date of 1711 for this), neither of which is in Ireland, where your Pages start.

>Who was entitled to bear this crest?

Because the crest of "an eagle displayed" is used by so many different families, without knowing the tincture (silver/white, gold/yellow, black, blue, red, green, purple, or ermine.  Of the two Page eagle crests, one is ermine and the other is or [gold/yellow]), it's hard to narrow down the roughly 200 family lines entitled to use such a crest.  And, indeed, as big as they are, neither Fairbairn nor Burke is comprehensive; there may be others who used this crest not listed in those volumes.

In any event, whoever used this crest would also have had a coat of arms, so that may be a line of inquiry for you.  Additionally, the hallmarks (if any) on the silver pieces themselves may give clues as to when and where as well as by whom they were created, which also might help to narrow the search parameters for you.

I hope that at least some of this information is of some help to you.  And, of course, if you have any questions about anything I've said here, please don't hesitate to ask.

David

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Re: Page Crest of Devonshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 August 14 22:30 BST (UK) »
Hi David

Thank you that is very helpful!

The silverware that some of the family have which I dont have access to is called the Page silver but also the McGaveston silver. The McGaveston family name was previously Gaveston from a long line dating back to Piers De Gaveston or his family or so the enduring family story goes.

I will ask and see if there are hallmarks on the silver. It may take a while to get a response.

McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick