Jack Phillips from Wales to New Zealand COMPLETED

[cp]

Can anyone help to find my family who moved to New Zealand please?

My Grandfather was Edwin Albert Phillips 1874 - 1954
His brother was John (Jack) Phillips born 1877

They were the children of John & Margaret Phillips of Treffeca, Talgarth, Brecon

Family legend says that Jack moved to New Zealand to farm. He was supposed to have gone to the north of the South Island. He was still in Wales for the 1891 census and then he disappears.

Thanks
Claire

[Janette]

Hi Claire and welcome

Can you give us any more information on John,did he have a middle name?
There are a lot of John Phillips in NZ deaths and a middle name would help

Cheers Janette

[Janette]

I wonder if this is him

birth
Births Mar 1877
Surname First name(s)  District     Vol     Page
PHILLIPS    John Morris    Hay    11b   139   
The district Hay spans the boundaries of the counties of Breconshire, Herefordshire, Powys and Radnorshire

death in NZ 
1958/33356   Phillips    John Morris    81Y

Cheers Janette

[Janette]

Burial in Archer Street cemetery Masterton

Record Number:   007419
Surname:   PHILLIPS
First Names:   JOHN MORRIS
Age:   81
Date of Death:   5/06/1958
Date of Burial:   7/06/1958
Cemetery:   Archer Street, Q E Park
Area:   Ex Servicemen
Row:   6
Plot:   JMP

Cheers Janette

[cp]

Hi Janette

Thank you for the welcome and the help.

Unfortunately I don't think John had a middle name. I found him on the 1881 and 1891 census return and his siblings middle names were listed so I would have thought if he had one it would have been shown. So sadly I do not think this is him. Shame by coincidence I have friends in Masterton.

I have found a record of a John Phillips b 1875 on a ship to Wellington on 25 Oct 1899. Even though the year of birth is out by 2 years very possible I would think.

He was born in Talgarth, Brecon

Thanks again for looking

Claire

[Janette]

Working from the 1881 census,

Name:    John Phillips
Age (Original):    45
Gender:    Male
Birth Year:    1836
Birthplace:    Breconshire Llangose
Relationship to Head of Household:    Head
Marital Status:    Married
Occupation:    Labourer Gen
Address:    6 College Terrace
Event Place:    Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
Record Type:    Household
Affiliate Publication Number:    RG11
Piece/Folio:    5468 / 75
Page Number:    12
Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
John Phillips    Head    M    45    Breconshire Llangose
Margaret Phillips    Wife    F    37    Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
Joan Phillips    Daughter    F    13    Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
Edwin Phillips    Son    M    6    Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
John Phillips    Son    M    4    Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales

GS Film number: 1342315

Births Jun 1867
Phillips    Joan                      Hay    11b      157
Births Jun 1874
Phillips    Edwin Albert         Hay    11b   162

There are 2 John's
Births Mar 1876
Phillips    John Jones         Hay    11b   141
Births Mar 1877
PHILLIPS    John Morris         Hay    11b   139

I wouldn't discount John Morris just yet,the age is correct too

Cheers Janette

[groom]

Is this him still in Wales in 1901?

RG13; Piece: 5186; Folio: 17; Page: 26
Llandrindod

Thomas Matthews   39           Butcher                          Llandrindod
Elizabeth Matthews   41                                                Gladestry
Gertrude Matthews    6                                                 Llandrindod
John Phillips          24   servant   Butcher                      Talgarth
David Davies          18   servant    Butcher                     Disserth

[cp]

Hi Groom

Thanks for taking the time to look for me. It certainly looks possible but of course I cannot prove it. I have attached it to my tree with a note saying I am not sure.

Interesting that he was a butcher as his father was an agricultural labourer so they would have no doubt had contacts in that world.

Thanks again

[cp]

Hi Janette

Thanks again for your info. I am trying to decide whether to risk my money on ordering the birth cert for John Morris Phillips