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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 28 September 14 16:01 BST (UK) »
Ah, thanks - will take a look. ;)
Now seen from the "german side" i would guess "Lahn am (at) …." but where? There is no such town.
I know county Rhein-Lahn. Lahn and Rhein about the rivers there.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhein-Lahn-Kreis
There was only once "Stadt (City) Lahn", but not longer used and it is at/ am river Lahn.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahn_(Stadt)

But it can also be another word…… a pretty misspelling. :(

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 28 September 14 16:35 BST (UK) »
Please, for me it looks like misspelling for Bonn am Rhein!  ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=699046.54
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonn
https://www.google.at/maps/place/Bonn,+Deutschland/@50.703577,7.1157122,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47bee19f7ccbda49:0x86dbf8c6685c9617
Good Area for a bootmaker.  ;)

Both names to find also in Pommern -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerania#Modern_Age
which was once for a time german then became again polish.
http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famlist.php?ofb=arnswalde_friedeberg&b=&lang=es
http://www.belgard.org/Namen/Schivelbein/Rkt_1.htm

Also other former german Areas which now back polish are possible (Prussia).
It could also be another FORMER german town name which now is in Poland and has now polish name.

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 28 September 14 21:55 BST (UK) »
Hi, Carinthian Girl.
Thanks so much for your valuable input to this thread.  As you can see, we've had much discussion about the LEOFFELER origins on the thread that Shaun pointed out to you (which you've now had a look at).
Will have a very good study of all the links you have very kindly provided, and I'll come back to you…
Many thanks, Keith

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 September 14 12:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks.
I do not remember (after reading all the threads), if ever was stated the person came directly from "present Germany". But think it was time before End of WW1, or not? So there would be not to forget, that also former Prussia can be possibility for an Area the person came from. And how we know from the Links, both names also were to find THERE like -> Pommern (Prussia). And think far back in any case can be a connection to this former german Areas which now polish or also russian. As we have a german and a polish last name in this case….

When we would only think on present Germany, so "Bonn am Rhein" makes most sense. Was the first I thought when have seen the curios misspelling of the place name. ;)


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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 September 14 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi again, Carinthiangirl,
The reference to "Bonn am Rhein" ( which on consideration I think we'd want to accept as an accurate interpretation of what the enumerator actually wrote down on the Census sheet) was in 1871.  What was the status of Bonn in those days, presumably it wasn't as important as it is today?  Albert LEOFFELER was a bootmaker, but his father Peter LOEFFLER's occupation  on that 1864 marriage was given as an engraver.  Would this have been in the glass industry, or might it have been almost anything else?  Would there be any trade directories of Bonn for the mid-1800's that might show him at an address?
I need to dive into the history books to unravel what and when was Prussia, and what and when became Germany...
Keith

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 30 September 14 13:26 BST (UK) »
I do not know so much about Bonn, i´m Austrian. ;)
Wikipedia has some history. It´s one of the oldest towns, it dates back to Roman Times:
"In 1794, the city was seized by French troops, becoming a part of the First French Empire. In 1815 following the Napoleonic Wars, Bonn became part of the Kingdom of Prussia. Administered within the Prussian Rhine Province, the city became part of the German Empire in 1871 during the Prussian-led unification of Germany. Bonn was of little relevance in these years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonn#History

interesting maybe same time info ->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland#French_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Province
http://www.rhinedragon.de/prussian_rhine_province.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_East_Prussia

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 September 14 13:33 BST (UK) »
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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 October 14 07:50 BST (UK) »
Carinthiangirl,
I hadn't realised I hadn't acknowledged your most recent post, so many belated thanks for all those further links.  It's always an interesting subject to speculate why people/families decided to migrate somewhere else in the hope of a better/safer life at certain times in history.  Why a German bootmaker wanted to leave his homeland behind and come to London to pursue his trade there some time in the 1860's…
Keith
N.B. This predictive text on here seems determined to change his occupation to "bookmaker" every time I try to put it in...

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Re: Where might the LEOFFELER name have originated from in Germany?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 05 October 14 08:25 BST (UK) »
His profession seems to want to become self variable. * lol *
I know that happens often with a text.  ;D

Another idea for Bonn research to see if anything is to find more to the ancestor:
Contact Berlin-Bob here from Forum and with his help you may post at this Forum of Germany some in English. Most times local people then maybe can be of more help and know better what do to for best in your case to find out if this could be the correct place your ancestor came from.
http://forum.ahnenforschung.net
Berlin-Bob: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=655

hope this helps anywhere! ::)