hi MJ
Is herbert riley the same person as hercules ernest riley?
Bev
Hi Bev,
May I suggest you please read back over this thread, it has a great deal of relevant and complicated detail.
Notice that several contributors show that the births of Doreen and her older and younger siblings were registered and are indexed at NSW BDM.
The father's given name is NOT included in the online indexes, and Madge was known by different surnames at different times, which of course suggests there would likely be different fathers for some of Doreen's siblings.
Doreen's birth is indexed under two surnames - RILEY and DOOLAN. This has been mentioned earlier in this thread. This alternative surname is significant. You need to consider that as early as Gladys birth (registered in 1910), that Doreen's mum was associating with a Mr DOOLAN and that she was no longer with a Mr RILEY. So:
births registered as DOOLAN and as RILEY include
1910, Gladys M # 3583, mum as Madge, Emmaville District
1911, Ada F #15379, mum as Madge, Emmaville Dist
1912, Doris M #28508, mum as Madge, Emmaville D.
1913, Lilian M, #33972, mum as Madge, Emmaville D
1914, YOUR GRANMOTHER, Doreen J, mum as Madge, Emmaville D
1917, Reta P, #13251, mum as Madge, Emmaville D
1918, Hazel L, #29852, mum as Madge, Emmaville D
So you may well need to be seeking out info about Mr DOOLAN, and I think you may need to let go of any searching for Herbert or Hercules RILEY.
You need also to consider that Gladys M, born in 1910 died while still an infant. Her death is indexed online under both RILEY and DOOLAN. No father's name recorded. Her mother's given name is recorded as Margaretta. NSW BDM online index #5228/1910, Emmaville. To me, without sighting the actual documents, but relying on the online index alone, I think Madge and her Mr Riley had separated before Gladys was born, and that Mr Doolan was Madge's common law partner and likely father of children whose births are registered under both RILEY and DOOLAN.
There's a further death registered in 1913, Emmaville district for a Dorothy M RILEY, mother as Margaretta, NO father's name recorded. #1681. The online index only has it the once, only as RILEY, but that is simply because Madge's formal/legal surname in 1913 was still RILEY as there was no divorce from Hercules.
Earlier in this thread I typed up the Electoral Roll entry for Maud RILEY, at Emmaville. Here it is again, with some other surnames re-checked today as well.
NSW ER 1913 GOUGH, polling at Emmaville.Maud RILEY, (of) Emmaville, domestic duties.
NO OTHERS with that surname listed at that polling place.
Annie HERBERT, Emmaville, domestic duties
Joseph Henry HERBERT, Emmaville, miner
Thomas HERBERT, Emmaville, miner
Vera HERBERT, Emmaville domestic duties.
NO OTHERS with that surname listed at that polling place.
NO ONE with the surname DOOLAN or similar listed at that polling place
George HUGHES, (of) Rose Valley, miner
James HUGHES, Rose Valley, miner
Mary HUGHES, Rose Valley, domestic duties
Robert HUGHES, Rose Valley, miner
NO OTHERS with that surname listed at that polling place.
Also, please consider having a read through the following thread :
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790265.0JM