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Offline bopsey

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Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« on: Friday 19 September 14 17:03 BST (UK) »
I feel I should know this but have got a bit bogged down! Using Free BMD, I have found the birth of 2 children I need (John and Frank Nickolls)in 1922 and 1924 in Romford. The mothers maiden name is listed as Wilson (Fathers name Nickolls). I know these children were from the second marriage of Ethel ( her first husband died in WW1) but can't find the marriage of Nickolls to Ethel Wilson. Is the mothers maiden name recorded in the index her married name from her first husband or her actual maiden name pre marriage?
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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:14 BST (UK) »
From my experience the surname of the bride is her former married name, rather than her original maiden name.  Just to complicate matters, birth registrations for second-marriage children give the maiden surname.
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:17 BST (UK) »
you do sometimes see the Mother's name shown as 'late xxxxx, formerly yyyyy' - where x is the previous married surname and y the actual maiden name.

What was the full name of the Mr Nickolls - was the Marriage in Essex ?

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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:33 BST (UK) »
In the Births Index, the mother's name shown should be her maiden name -- the surname that she commonly used before any marriage.


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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:43 BST (UK) »
Marriage in Sleaford district June Q 1918

Ethel M Wilson
John A Bayles

CWGC website shows John A Bayles died 2 July 1918 buried at Warloy-Baillon Cemetery, France.

Marriage in Sleaford disrict September Q 1919

Ethel M Bayles
Frank H Nickolls
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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:44 BST (UK) »
I agree Bookbox.  My experience was of Archbell marrying Ridalgh (I think that was her surname).  But when their daughter was born then the mother's name was Ashworth.  Marriage between Ridalgh and Ashworth matches the known criteria.
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks 'all' for the useful replies. I think this may be a tricky one as I have no idea of Mr Nickolls first name. Essex definitely comes into the equation, the Seven Kings area is mooted (Ilford) and Lincolnshire may be where the family (dont know which part though) hailed from. This hunt is to do with my friends wedding ring, which she has recently been told was from Ethels first marriage to her husband who was killed in WW1. As you can imagine she would like to know more but has very little to go on. I have found a marriage (7a 1249 Sleaford Sept Q 1919) of Ethel Bayles to Frank H Nickolls which looks tempting but then I suppose the next stage is an earlier marriage of Ethel Wilson to Bayles (or am I furduddled again?) The only one I found is this but is only year earlier and doesn't fit in with the WW1 story

Marriages Jun qtr 1918 
Wilson    Ethel M    Bayles    Sleaford    7a   925

Any ideas appreciated!
Barnard, Ford, Pett, Moore, Holden, Collison, Kingshott, Lytollis, Kinghorn, Walker, Lightoller, Lightowler.

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Re: Birth Index Maiden names-second marriages
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 September 14 17:56 BST (UK) »
Many Many thanks Galium...I think that probably solves it...how very very sad!

Linda
Barnard, Ford, Pett, Moore, Holden, Collison, Kingshott, Lytollis, Kinghorn, Walker, Lightoller, Lightowler.