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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #162 on: Thursday 03 August 17 18:59 BST (UK) »
An Edwin Benjamin of the correct age died in Barnet in 1917. Might be worth checking out.
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Also he is in the 1911 census living quite close to Charlotte.

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #163 on: Saturday 05 August 17 05:29 BST (UK) »
I.ll look that up

MB can you remind me what you said about Edwin being hospitalised  please

Also anyone I was told that it takes a long time to convert to Judaism ..how long would Charlotte have known Edwin for their marriage to be acceptable..I wonder if it's worth looking on 1901 census for a Mariam Roberts /Robarts
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #164 on: Sunday 13 August 17 23:41 BST (UK) »
So my mother and I are giving up on the idea of Lottie the waitress/ actress / child placer being ours

As she married Edwin Benjamin in 1903 had a son with him in 1907and was living as Charlotte Benjamin in 1911

It seems unlikely
 She would have returned to maiden name in  1903
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #165 on: Monday 14 August 17 18:48 BST (UK) »
I've seen a record on Ancestry

On SS Paul

BENJAMIN Charlotte 35 +
BENJAMIN Eric Michae 11 admitted first sept 1917

 title page " detained aliens held for special inquiry "

Their entries are in pen
Added under  the others which are printed and have more details
Cause of detention seems to be   " English " !     Unless i.m misreading it
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #166 on: Monday 14 August 17 19:27 BST (UK) »
Her cause of detention ditto'd from above is LPC and Un. From articles on Google it seems LPC stood for ' likely public charge' and I suspect Un stood for 'unaccompanied' i.e. No spouse. It seems it was common for unaccompanied women with children to be dealt with in this way.
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #167 on: Monday 14 August 17 19:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks Isobel.  Likely to be a charge on the state then rather than being charged for a public offence ...

I suppose during WW1 no countries wanted  unaccompanied mothers ..that does imply that she hadn't followed her husband to USA

I haven't sorted out the various Edwin Home/Hume /Hymie's ..i.m hoping MBenn will tell me more when he finds out about his grandfather

I don't know which one you meant who was living nearby.in 1911
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #168 on: Monday 14 August 17 20:19 BST (UK) »
It was Hasta who found the 1911 entry. Try looking for Edwin Benjamins on Familysearch. Alternatively Edward Benjamins on Ancestry ( mistranscribed).
I think it highly possible Edwin  died in Barnet in 1917.
Don't know if you have found the main manifest entry on the St Paul for Charlotte and her son ( she is mistranscribed as Bengamin on Ancestry. This is the entry that names her sister Maria Irvine as next of kin and gives a hotel address in New York as her destination ( no mention of a husband that she is joining)
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #169 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:12 BST (UK) »
It must have been different document I found the other passengers entries were printed and Charlotte and Eric Michael BENJAMIn were penned underneath
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #170 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:16 BST (UK) »
The detained aliens list is subsidiary to the main manifest.
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