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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 22 October 16 12:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks Annie+ iso
some deveoplments on  alisoun's thread on Genes Reunited too

  cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
 birth has a Percy Myles  william C. Caistor
father A.C Percy b Grimsby 1863

I've not had time to check it    or death of a Miles PEARCEY in 1898 age 67 burial 15th may
very likely candidate for Myles but I cant spend time chasing this family back in time if the Lottie with them is not the correct one

Lets see if any of them turn up anywhere after 1901.
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 22 October 16 12:47 BST (UK) »
Have managed to find more on Mabel Warhurst. She remarried in 1900 in Poplar to Henry Gordon Smith. Marriage entry on Freebmd shows her as Mabel Moore/Percy/Warhurst so definitely her. She is with Henry in Poplar in 1901 and by 1910 they had emigrated to the USA and were in Chicago. No sign of a divorce and Arthur C Percy was very much alive in 1901, so very odd.
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 22 October 16 13:01 BST (UK) »
also why would she left young son with Arthur rather than take him with new husband ..fathers had more rights to children then tho !

I'm hoping if it is our Lottie she wasnt influenced by A.C Percy'name swopping

She may have preferred Roberta Carlotta as a stage name
 Charlotta ....of Glasgow .....does Glasgow contain some exotic acting pedigree   
Roberta Cheshire has a nice ring to it .


Maybe we'll find them together  under his " Carmicheal " surname 
or just him
wonder why Arthur  chose to inverse names for his first marriage
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 22 October 16 15:25 BST (UK) »
Lottie may have been good at camouflaging her identity in records

but her daughter did somehow get hold of an address for her at some point in her life

holding out hope for the 1939 register .
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #67 on: Saturday 22 October 16 17:45 BST (UK) »
'Arthur' and Mabel were indeed divorced.

First, Arthur Carmichael Percy married Mabel Moore 14/12/1892 in Register Office, Derby - he is shown as 30, Elocutionist, son of Thomas Percy, Commercial Clerk - she aged 21, dau. of Henry Moore, Traveller.   The marriage certificate is shown in the divorce papers.

1901 Census shows Mabel - after remarriage - as bc.1876 Nottingham, and there is indeed a birth for a Mabel Warhurst (the other name referred to earlier) in Dec.qtr.1875 Nottingham.

Divorce - petitioned 31/10/1899, Decree Nisi 29/1/1900, Final Decree 3/10/1900 and it was he who was the petitioner - Thomas Percy Carmichael otherwise Arthur Carmichael Percy v. Mabel Carmichael on the grounds of her adultery with Henry Gordon Smith (who she subsequently married).   Custody of their son was granted to him.

When Mabel remarried in Dec.1900 Luton there are 4 separate entries for her in names of Mabel Percy, Mabel Warhurst, Mabel Moore and Mabel Carmichael!

Even with details of his supposed father I can still find nothing positive on Arthur (or whatever his name was) pre his marriage to Mabel in 1892.

Whoever 'Lottie' was on 1901 Census (which started all this off) although she is shown as 'married' to Arthur I don't believe any marriage had taken place and hope in a way she isn't Charlotte Roberts because can find nothing on 'Arthur' after 1901 in the 2 surnames we know he used nor a likely Charlotte/Lottie with these names.

Sounds like his whole life was an act and can't believe a word he says!

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #68 on: Saturday 22 October 16 17:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that research Annette ...

What a story ...and wonder what became of young Myles ...but more than one mystery to deal with today .

May I copy your results onto alisoun topic on GR pls
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #69 on: Saturday 22 October 16 17:52 BST (UK) »
Of course!

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 22 October 16 18:04 BST (UK) »
Whoever 'Lottie' was on 1901 Census (which started all this off) although she is shown as 'married' to Arthur I don't believe any marriage had taken place and hope in a way she isn't Charlotte Roberts because can find nothing on 'Arthur' after 1901 in the 2 surnames we know he used nor a likely Charlotte/Lottie with these names.

Sorry I haven't read everything and this may be very stupid
BUT was she married to him or just married. Ie could she have been someone else's wife and just in his house?
No offence meant to any and if I'm asking something very stupid I'm sorry.

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 22 October 16 18:23 BST (UK) »
Great question
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I think we were all assuming they were married or pretending to be
as had same surname ..

AS Arthur is not head of that household their relation to each other is not given .

will  ask sis to add that observation to the Genes Reunited thread   
but she could have "married" his brother or nephew
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