nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901

[brigidmac]

thanks Annie ...really touched by yr comment

like my aunt I am fascinated and impressed by this Charlotte even if she isnt ours

There is a book + story waiting to be told

and she will of course be included in my comedy routines of family History

a cousin knows a filmaker and I have a fim writer + star "friend " from Genes Reunited who has recently had a prize-winning  short film made about his ancestor "an unfortunate woman "
and the film about his own teen life is called "Give them Wings " being rereleased now and on kindle
am i allowed to give his name ?

I will post a mini film if i get my French club home schoolers to act it out .

[brigidmac]

Tried to post a pic of a lookalike doll and postcar d. Right era fashion

defeated by technology but have changed my profile to my Lottie doll who I think is either a young drapers assistant modelling clothes for customers .....leading to a career in acting
1900
Aged about 19

Or a self made costumier 1911 ex baby placer.  Aged 30 plus .....I know her face is young but we all look younger than our true age in my family

What about the outfit anyone like to pitch a date ? She.s wearing long bloomers

[brigidmac]

Have just seen from court records that Lottie Roberts and Herbert Smith were also charged with larceny of 4 rolls of cinematography films at Liverpool on 11th Dec 1907   
This crime was not triied

How can this be possible if they were both serving  hard labour sentences from june 1907

[brigidmac]

Mrs Ball of 7 Albert row penrhhiewtyn Neath took charge of  Lottie.s baby girl and by April 1907  tried to contact "" Mrs selwyn"  she declared she did not want to part with the baby

This baby born 19/11/06  should have been registered by Lottie herself  and if the girl is still with mr and Mrs ball in 1911.    I may be able to find her daughter's  first name .

 

[brigidmac]

FindMyPast has a news report of an elderly Mrs Charlotte roberts murdered with a flat iron in 1941

In stapleton road

Town and country not given

Women in my family don't iron so it would be amazing coincidence if this was our Lottie

[isobelw]

May just be a coincidence, but thought I'd mention it just in case it is important.
Was looking for possible Smith/Roberts/ Baker female births in Swansea in Dec quarter of 1906 that might match the child given over to the Balls. There is a birth of a Jessie Smith whose mmn is Bourne according to the gro index. This rang bells so I checked back over the thread and found that in one of the newspaper reports Lottie's name is given as Lottie Bourne. Can't see any other Smith births in Swansea in that period with mmn Bourne.
Isobel

[brigidmac]

Wow Isabel .....
That's amazing ...You.d be great at the detective game

So this could be Lottie Roberts  maskerading as Lottie bourne

Im sure I read somewhere that one of her stage names as an actress was Jessie Bourne
So she may have liked that name for her daughter


 I.m going to have to reread everything

[brigidmac]

The Welsh newspaper of may 1907 refers to her as Lottie Bourne

But from July Flintshire observer and Australian newspapers call her Lottie Roberts

She was taken to court under that name and imprison ....Is it a case of Bourne identity fraud ??

[brigidmac]

Yes it was Welsh evening express and mail of thurs may 23 Rd that refers to Lottie Bourne professional name  Jess Baker

I looked to see if there were any evidence of Lottie Bourne's in Shropshire

There is one born 1885  on 1891 census and 1901 wrockwarden wood Wellington Shropshire

But if she was the one handling babies  she did a good job passing herself off as Lottie Roberts to journalists and police