BARNES

[bagpuss]

Hello Ian,

So not Thomas then       hmmm - I must say I was quite convinced that the marriage listing for Margaret Brush & Thomas Barnes in Bedwelty, 1873 was yours!!

In view of the new information, this looks like it could be your James Barnes and his family on the following censuses -

1861

Linton

Thomas Barnes     59   Head    Mar   Farm Labourer     Herefordshire, Linton
Elizabeth Barnes   49    Wife    Mar                               ''              Norton
Benjamin Barnes   24    Son     Un     Ag  Lab                  ''              Linton
Sarah Barnes       18    Daur    Un                                 ''              Linton
James Barnes       9     Son                                                                      Linton

                                    (RG9/ 1929/ 94/ 14)

1871

Bringsly Common, Whitbourne

Thomas Lewis     29    Head    Mar    Ag Lab               Herefordshire, Whitbourne
Mary Ann Lewis   28    Wife     Mar     ''    ''                      ''             Norton
Elizabeth Lewis     4    Daur                                            ''            Whitbourne
Mark Perce         44   Lodger   Un     Ag Lab                      ''            Linton
James Barnes    20   Lodger   Un      ''    ''                             ''               Linton

                            (RG10/ 2712/ 117/ 6)

Linton

William Barnes     70    Head    Mar    Labourer           Herefordshire, Linton
Elizabeth Barnes  60    Wife     Mar                                 ''             Norton
Benjamin Barnes  34    Son      Un                                   ''             Linton

                            (RG10/ 2712/ 97/ 12)

1881

Linton in Bromyard

Benjamin Barnes   44   Head    Mar    Farm Labourer    Herefordshire, Linton
Eliza Barnes         25   Wife     Mar                                   ''          Whitbourne
Emily Barnes          3   Daur                                             ''          Norton
Elizabeth Barnes   69  Mother  Wid                                   ''           Norton

                           (RG11/ 2603/ 93/ 11)

Can't find a listing for James in the GRO death index, but as I can't locate him on the 1881 census, it fits with the previous information.

Hope this helps
Sue   

   


 

[ianhb]

Still confused about William Thomas my great granddad. Annie it appears married in 1920William Thomas Simmonds of Pentrejack Farm in Brilley on 6th March. Can you find his family on the 1881 and 1901 census please?
Although not on the birth certificate he was married to Annie three months after the birth of my father in 1919.
Still one step at a time. I am waiting for certs from family Reg Office.
Have solved the names of the  brothers and sisters but this looks like another branch of the family if once removed??

[bagpuss]

Hello there,

I need a little bit more to go on - When you receive the marriage certificate it should give you William Thomas Simmonds age and fathers name, it should then be possible to work backwards from there.  I've had a look in Brilley in 1901 and cannot find any Simmonds listed.

Regards
Sue   

[ianhb]

William Thomas Simmonds aged 27 years in 1920 Farm Baliff at Pentrejack father deceased Thomas Simmonds farmer

[bagpuss]

Hello there,

This is the only candidate that is immediately apparent -

1901

42, Wolseley Road, Bristol, Gloucestershire

Thos W Simmonds     39    Head    Mar    Commercial Traveller        Glos. Littleton
                                                                      (oil & colour)
Ellen Simmonds         42    Wife     Mar                                       Glos. Bristol
Herbert F Simmonds  11    Son                                                      ''        ''
William Simmonds       8    Son                                                      ''        ''
Rachel Barnett          17   Serv     Un      Gen Servant (domestic)   Glos. Blakeney

          (RG13/ 2399/ 21/ p34)

Does this look like a possibility?  I can't seem to find any other likelihoods, and have checked under spelling variations too.   

Regards,
Sue

[ianhb]

Hello Sue,
Just got certs back from GRO
William James Barnes b 13/4/1875 to Thomas and Margaret Barnes nee Bush East Lane Tredegar.
So the line back is the original one.

Thomas Barnes  married Margaret Brush 26/8/1873 Father James Barnes general labourer.
Does this help in tracing the line back towards 1800`s

[bagpuss]

Hello again Ian,

Have come up with the following which could be your Barnes family, does Thomas's age match with that on his marriage certificate?

1861

Yeld, Pembridge

James Barnes        53    Head    Mar    Ag Lab                     Herefordshire, Dilwyn
Elizabeth Barnes    42    Wife     Mar                                          ''           Letton
Mary A Barnes       12    Daur              Letter Carrier                   ''           Dilwyn
Thomas Barnes      11    Son                Scholar                           ''          Pembridge
Eliza Barnes            8    Daur                   ''                                ''                ''
Susannah Barnes     7    Daur                   ''                                ''                ''
Elizabeth Barnes    84    Mother  Wid    Former Letter Carrier          ''          Weobley

                         (RG9/ 4231/ 21/ 26)

Does this look like the right family?

Regards
Sue   

[ianhb]

Thomas was 23 years of age in 1873 at the time of his marriage so this tallies. Excellent work.
Is there anything on the 1851 census about Elizabeth senior b 1777?
I am visiting Herefordshire so now I have another area to look at on my journey. Does this mean that Elizabeth Barnes junior was born in Weobley in 1819 approx?
Any idea of the date of the marriage?

[bagpuss]

OK..... looks like we might be on to something here   

On the 1851 name only index -

Pembridge - (HO107/ 2492/ 404b)

BARNES
James - 40
Eliza - 33
Martha - 4
Mary A - 2
Thomas - 1
Eliza - 73

Found this entry on the GRO index -

Thomas Barnes - 1850
     Volume - 26     Page - 245
     Quarter - March
     District - Presteigne

The birth certificate will give you mothers maiden name, this could tie in to the following information from the IGI -

Christening - James Barnes
      10 Jan 1808
      Dilwyn, Herefordshire
      Parents - William & Elizabeth Barnes

Marriage - James Barnes to Elizabeth Garnolds
      2 Nov 1845
      Dilwyn, Herefordshire
     
Christening - Elizabeth Garnolds
      25 Jan 1818
      Letton Near Staunton on Wye, Herefordshire
      Parents - William & Dorothea Garnolds

Check out the IGI as you might be able to progress further back -

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

Best of luck
Sue