John Overall and Frances Marriage - Bermondsey Area?

[CaroleW]

Between 1856-1860 John could have changed occupations.  What I am not happy about is the gap between an 1840 marriage and a first birth in 1846 although there could have been others who died in between

There are several Overall infant burials between 1841-1851 in Bermondsey etc but no way of knowing who the parents were

[CaroleW]

William & Frances Overall baptised a Mary Ann in 1823 - Williams occ was Bellows maker

Mary Ann Overall married in 1855 and marriage cert shows father William and occ bellows maker.  One of the witnesses was Henry Overall

The 1840 marriage cert does not show William as a Bellows maker

[Tim Brayshaw]

William & Frances Overall baptised a Mary Ann in 1823 - Williams occ was Bellows maker

Mary Ann Overall married in 1855 and marriage cert shows father William and occ bellows maker.  One of the witnesses was Henry Overall

The 1840 marriage cert does not show William as a Bellows maker

Well this is interesting because on the marriage certificate of John and Sarah it says William Overall as the father of John.

However, when i search for John's baptism in 1818 i found a John Overall as his father and Frances as his mother. What you have found seems to be a combination.

What was John's father's name?

[Tim Brayshaw]

I think i have found the problem. There are two Overall families in London again causing me an issue.

a William and Frances

and

a John and Frances.

I think it is almost positive that my Sarah is Sarah Butcher which would make William and Frances the parent's of John.

This points me towards this baptism from familysearch...

Name:   John Overell
Christening:   05 Dec 1819 ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name:   William Overell
Mother's Name:   Frances

[CaroleW]

1840 marriage - John's father is William but he is not a Bellows maker.  Occ difficult to read but may end in ic so possibly mechanic??

You are of the opinion that his parents were William & Frances because of the 1818 baptism.  That baptism was for a John William Overall and his father William was a corn meter?? and address was Spa Rd

What I was trying to illustrate (badly) is that William & Frances had a dtr Mary Ann and her baptism and marriage cert (1855) shows William as a bellows maker which would appear that his occ was consistent from 1823 - 1855

NOW - 1841 entry for St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey shows a William Overall aged 55 occ corn meter with Sarah 54 - both born out of county (Possible second marriage)
HO107 Piece 1049/3  Folio 48 Page 30

There is a burial for a Frances Overall aged 42 on 4.5.1833 at St James Bermondsey

SO - I think there were 2 families in Bermondsey headed by a William & Frances.  In one - William is a corn meter and the other a Bellows maker

[CaroleW]

On the 1819 baptism - William is a Bellows maker

[Tim Brayshaw]

You are of the opinion that his parents were William & Frances because of the 1818 baptism.  That baptism was for a John William Overall and his father William was a corn meter?? and address was Spa Rd

The 1818 baptism is John and Frances, so i think i can discount that one entirely now, the John William Overall. I can't see where it refers to William as a corn meter, however i've just read the transcription as John and Frances.

It is going to be rather hard for me to find my William, from only the marriage certificate of John Overall and Sarah Butcher to go from, there just isn't enough information when the occupation (as you say possibly ends in 'ic') doesn't match anything else.

[Tim Brayshaw]

NOW - 1841 entry for St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey shows a William Overall aged 55 occ corn meter with Sarah 54 - both born out of county (Possible second marriage)
HO107 Piece 1049/3  Folio 48 Page 30

I think i can make 'Cornmeter' out of the father's occupation on the marriage certificate you know, it definitely isn't Bellows Maker, im just going to run the marriage certificate through Photoshop to filter the noise out a little bit.

[CaroleW]

I've just blown that occupation up and it's Corn Meter