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Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« on: Saturday 25 October 14 21:31 BST (UK) »
Dear All,
I am really stuck with  Elizabeth Jennet Thomas born around 1871 or 1881.

On her marriage certificate in Gloucester in 1907 she is down as 25 or 26(difficult to tell) years which puts her birth year at 1881/82

However on the 1911 Census her husband has put her age at 40 years which means she was born 1871. I am not too sure he knows any ones ages as he has both daughters ages out by a year. So I am inclined towards 1881/2.

She married Thomas Rees aged 46 of Mount Stuart Square Cardiff.
She was staying at 1 Pilot St Gloucester. They were both of Wales and although he says he is a widower in fact he is a divorcee.

The only Place of birth I can find for her is on the 1911 Census where it says Breconshire.
On her marriage Cert the name of her father is John Thomas and his occupation is down as Hotel Proprietor. Deceased.

Thomas and Elizabeth already have one child born 1806.

She is known as Eliz Rees on the 1911 Census and Bessie Jennet Rees on one of her daughters birth certificates.

Any help gratefully received as I am totally stuck.
Thank you.

Judy
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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 October 14 21:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Judy, I can see a birth of an Elizabeth Jennet Thomas March qtr 1878 Builth 11b 85 on the 1881 she has parents John 34 and Mary A 43 and siblings at Penybont Cottage, Llanfihangel-Abergwessin, Builth, Breconshire Census Ref RG11/5453/71/14

On this census John is shown as a Farmer though?

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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 October 14 22:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the reply.
Yes I have seen that one but it just didn't seem quite right with the father being a farmer.
Will have another look. Wonder where they are in the next census.

Judy
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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 October 14 23:00 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering if this is them in 1891 - there is a Thomas Davies, stepson, with the family on 1881 who fits this one. Elixabeth's sisters on 1881 were born Llanwrtyd, and mother from Radnorshire. Don;t think the relationships are correct

 Mary Thomas    58 - widow b Radnor. Licensed Victuallar, Welsh Harp, Dowlais
Anthony Davies    31 - b Llanvabon, breconshire
William Davies    28 - b Llanvabon, breconshire
Thomas Davies    25 - b Llanvabon, breconshire
John Davies    19 - step son  b LLanwrtyd
Elizabeth Thomas    14 - b LLanwrtyd daughter-in-law

following Anthony back, the Davies are in Abergwesyn in 1871

RG12, 4439, 94, 25

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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 October 14 23:11 BST (UK) »
from Merthyr Express, 4 Jan 1883

ENDORSEMENT.—The license of the Welsh Harp, Dowlais, was endorsed from Mary Davies to John Thomas.

John Thomas was later convicted of selling cigars without a licence

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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 November 14 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your replies.
Have been busy last week. Think it will need more research to try and prove it. Would feel better if the father was a Hotel/Inn proprietor on the census.

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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 November 18 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I just see this post, from a while ago...

I happen to search William Davies, son of Mary (maiden name Lloyd) Davies ( spouse of Isaac Davies, mason), remarried to John Thomas ( farmer).
William Davies was my 2x great grand father. He managed the Robin Hood in Dowlais before helping his mother ( Mary Thomas at the time) to manage the Welsh Harp. I traced the Davies till in Breconshire where they were from.
I am curious to know what you have found about the family?
Best wishes,

Isabelle

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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 November 18 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the reply Isabelle and welcome to rootschat,
I haven't done much more  research on this family but your post has spurred me on.

Are you able to tell me when Mary (Nee LLoyd/ Davies) Thomas died? or when her husband died & she remarried to John Thomas. I am maybe thinking that was around the early 1870's.

I see the Welsh Harp at Dowlais was sold in 1898 leading me to believe she either moved out or that Mary had died then.

I will have to have some time to work this out and see if the Elizabeth J Thomas I am looking for is the same as this one. I am beginning to think there may be a possibility.

Judy
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Re: Elizabeth Jennet Thomas c1881 or 1871
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 November 18 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judy,

Actually I have just received the death certificate of Isaac Davies, he died in 1867, just the year after the birth of his son Thomas Davies ( 1866). I discovered on the birth certificates of their children that her full name was Mary "Anne" Lloyd.
On the census they only write Mary, except on the 1881 Census of Llanfihangel where you can see her as wife of John Thomas. John Thomas has 3 children from a previous marriage:Sarah A. Thomas, Age 8; Margaret J. Thomas, Age 4; Elizabeth J. Thomas, Age 3.
Thomas Davies, 15, is also living with them. He is Mary "Anne" Davies/Lloyd younger son.
On the 1891 Census in Merthyr T, we can see Mary Thomas, her 3 sons, and Elizabeth Thomas ( the age is correct).There is also a John Davies, stated as her step son... not quite sure who he is. I can't see him on any other census. I followed them since 1841.
I think I did find a marriage for a Mary Ann and John Thomas in 1880.
I don't know when Mary Thomas died yet but I believe it could be around the time you mentioned 1898, or maybe she simply moved.
I will check again and come back to you,

Isabelle