1891 Census Kent: CHURCH

[majendieworld]

Hello,

Would appreciate a lookup for family/address/occupations etc.

Church, William J   born    abt 1891  in Sheerness, Kent,

Thanks
Sincerely
john

John E. Mitchell
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

[flopster]

In the 1981 census they live in 2 Cheyney Rock House, sheerness with Williams mothers (Mary Ann , aged 24) parents
Mary A (aged 48) and John (aged 50, works as a labourer in a boat store).
His father William (aged 36) works as a sailmaker.
According to the 1901 census his mother is now a widow and he also has a broher John aged 6.

[caroline hammill]

Hi John.
I've wrote it out in order as it is on the census, the names seem to be abit all over the place.

1891   Minster in Sheppy, Kent.   Cheyney Rock House ?

John Carnine   1841   Head   Dublin, Ireland   Labourer Boat Stores

Mary A   1843   Wife   Rochester, Kent

Maud   1875   Dau   Sheerness, Kent   Domestic Servant

Charlotte   1879   Dau   Sheerness, Kent   Scholar

Ninnie   1881   Dau   Sheerness, Kent   Scholar

Mary Ann Church   1862   Dau   Sheerness, Kent   Scholar

William Church   1855   Son-in-Law   Great Garmerith, Norfolk   Sail Maker

Ernest Carnine   1884   Son   Great Garmerith, Norfolk   Scholar

Victoria Carnine   1887   Dau   London   Scholar

William J Church   1891   G.Son   Sheerness, Kent

SOURCE : RG12/721
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PAGE : 20


CAZ

[caroline hammill]

1901   Sheerness, Kent.     7 Railway Road (possibly)
No occupations were listed.

Mary Ann Church   1865   Head/Widow   Sheerness, Kent

William   1891   Son   Sheerness, Kent

John   1895   Son   Sheerness, Kent

SOURCE : RG13/815
FOLIO : 18
PAGE : 28


CAZ

[Breffney]

I have not carried out any family research for a few years, but I think I can help with this.
Mary Ann Margaret Church was the eldest daughter of John and Mary Ann Caroline Carnine (nee Davison) born in Sheerness in 1864.
She claimed to be an actress when she had a daughter in October 1885 at Steyning Sussex, who was named Robina Alberta Dalton Carnine. The father was not named but the baby's name may be a clue to the father's (a puzzle I have never solved.)
In 1887 she had another daughter Victoria Roma Carnine at Holborn Viaduct London.
The Victoria Carnine listed in the 1891 census is Mary Ann Margaret's daughter. I assume that her first daughter had died, although I have not found any record.
Ref. the 1891 census
I have a photo of Cheyney Rock House. It was a large house which at this time was divided into apartments.

John Carnine was a labourer in a coal store, which was close to Cheyney Rock House.
In this census he says he was born in Dublin, 1881 census he said he was born in Belfast, and another census said he was born in Sheerness.
 Ninnie was Winnifred (known as Winnie) and married a London Policeman.
Ernest Carnine was born in Sheerness (I have met his son)
My grandmother was Ada Amelia Carnine, a younger sister to Mary Ann Margaret. At the time of this census she was in service and living with another family.
I am interested in the later life of Mary Ann Church. There are stories of one of my grandmother's sisters going to Australia and coming back to visit England in about 1917 with a prominent Australian politicion.

I have reason to believe that the Carnine family come from County Cork in Ireland.
Have Carnine family tree if you are interested.
Hope the above is of interest

[kchurch]

After a lot of searching I have found out the following:
Mary Ann Margaret Carnine (b1864) married William Henry Church (b1855 Great Gamerith, Norfolk) in 1891. William Henry died in 1901, in Sheerness.

Mary Ann Margaret Church (nee Carnine) remarried James Fison James, also in 1901 and moved to Australia.

On Mary Ann Margaret James' Death Certificate she has the following children listed:
Church Children
William James - AKA William Henry b.1891 Sheerness, kent (My G.Grandfather)
Dorothy M.A.V. b. 1891 Sheerness, Kent (known in our family as "Auntie Vic"
John Tooley b 1892 Sheerness, Kent
Ernest valentine b1898 Sheerness, Kent

She also has two children registered from her marriage to James James:
David A
Ruby M

My dad recalls a "Uncle David" and "Aunty Vic".
According to family tales Mary Ann margaret used the name "Matilda Carlisle" when she was acting. I have a lot more info if you're interested!

[Breffney]

After a lot of searching I have found out the following:
Mary Ann Margaret Carnine (b1864) married William Henry Church (b1855 Great Gamerith, Norfolk) in 1891. William Henry died in 1901, in Sheerness.

Mary Ann Margaret Church (nee Carnine) remarried James Fison James, also in 1901 and moved to Australia.

On Mary Ann Margaret James' Death Certificate she has the following children listed:
Church Children
William James - AKA William Henry b.1891 Sheerness, kent (My G.Grandfather)
Dorothy M.A.V. b. 1891 Sheerness, Kent (known in our family as "Auntie Vic"
John Tooley b 1892 Sheerness, Kent
Ernest valentine b1898 Sheerness, Kent

She also has two children registered from her marriage to James James:
David A
Ruby M

My dad recalls a "Uncle David" and "Aunty Vic".
According to family tales Mary Ann margaret used the name "Matilda Carlisle" when she was acting. I have a lot more info if you're interested!

[BronStr]

Hi Breffney,

Aunty Vic was probably Victoria Roma Polsen (nee Carnine b.1887, Mary Ann's 2nd child) who came out to Australia as well and from whom I am descended. Would love to hear any extra information you have on Mary Ann! Victoria has a 'Robert Dalzell' listed as her father on her death certificate.