Help with a McCall family in Glasgow as of 1857

[davidlstern]

Trying to trace the family of Patrick McCall - I know he was born in Ireland, and that his son Patrick John McCall was born in Glasgow (mother listed as Juda) on Jun 20 1857, that in the census of 1871 the family (including another son David) was living at Glasgow Calton, and that Patrick had died by 1888. Searching for any mention of them in the 1851 or 1861 census, any marriage record for Patrick and Juda, any birth record for David, or any leads that would tell me where in Ireland Patrick was from.

[sancti]

What was their address on the census record?

[davidlstern]

All I have is a reference to Glasgow Calton - have not seen the actual page. In 1857 the family was at 16 Dixon Square, Finniston Street according to the birth certificate of his son Patrick John. Patrick is listed as a labourer on the certificate.

[anne_p]

The 1871 census in Calton refers to 14yr old Patrick McCall who lives with his Irish grandparents, Joseph and Ellen Currie.

Have you looked at  the 1857 birth?
Is the mother's name Juda or is this a mistranscription?

The 1857 birth that you give is the only birth that I can find giving a mother's name of Juda.

However, FS does have an 1853 marriage between Patrick McCall and Margaret Currie.
Therefore 14 yr Old Patrick on this 1871 census is the child of this couple.
( There is no David in the household at ! Millroad, Calton)
   
Joseph Currie   71
Ellen Currie   73
Barney Currie   29
Joseph Logan   8
Patrick Mccall   14 Grandson B Glasgow
Joseph McLean   27
Barney Douglas   26

Could Juda be Margaret Currie?


EDIT:
As a 4yr old ,Patrick also lives with these grandparents.
It's the same address as 1871

[davidlstern]

I have been looking at that birth certificate since 2001 and I still cannot answer that question - Juda has never made any sense but that is what it looks like, and then there is the added complication of her maiden name being listed as McCall as well. But I think what makes the most sense is what you are suggesting, which also explains why there are no further records of Patrick senior in Scotland after that birth - he probably went home and died there.

I will start looking at that path and see what other records emerge - many, many thanks!!

[anne_p]

David,
The man I posted about is not your Patrick John McCall.

His name was Patrick McCall, born 3 May 1856 in Glasgow.
Someone with a tree on Anc has all the info and documentation for him, his marriages , death etc.

I suspect that his man can be excluded from your research unless he married twice in Glasgow and died in Glasgow 1933.

Who/where did your relative marry or how did you ascertain that his father's name was Patrick?
Is he the man who married a widow in London in 1888?
If so, this seems to be the ONLY time he uses Patrick in his name.
Other records simply show JOHN McCall.

[davidlstern]

Hmmmm. All I really have is that birth certificate for Patrick john McCall from Jun 20 1857 listing his parents names and the fact that his father was an Irish laborer. My wife's mother had a good deal of information about her grandfather's life after he went to Rhodesia as a teacher around 1880, but nothing beforehand other than that that birthdate and the fact that the family was scots-Irish catholic.

Not much to go on I am afraid!

[davidlstern]

And yes, he is the man who married Catherine Knox in London in 1888, took a teaching post in Blackburn the following year, and by 1901 is in Hamilton teaching.

My wife's uncle knew him and told me his name was Patrick.

[sancti]

Does the birth certificate actually give his name as Patrick John McCall?