James Moulding - Leicester puzzle

[Annie65115]

Leicester, q2 on freeBMD - but maybe Willsy has more details

[willsy]

It's a register office one 1845, this is the only marriage that matches

Leicester, All Saints   31-Oct   1807   Banns   
John   Moulding   OTP            
Sarah    Cook    OTP

[Annie65115]

Can I try to summarise for my own clarification?

Elizabeth Moulding bapt 1816 to John and Sarah

has children James and Edward before marrying James Wade in 1845 (and we'll never know who the father was for those children, I suppose)

Then with James Wade has another daughter, Caroline in 1847

by 1851 she is with Benjamin Brown and they hace more children - Mary, Sarah, Clara; they move temporarily to Sheffield then back to Leicester.

Elizabeth's sister Sarah m Charles Cart.

Elizabeth's son James has a variety of names - Moulding, Mouldinig aka Brown, Wade, James Moulding Wade ---- He marries Emma Lee in 1864. They have some children - how many? not known for sure.
By 1871, Emma is living with her parents again
and by 1881 she's still living with her parents but has had 3 more children; she acknowledges she's still married but atm we don't really know whose children they are.

James may possibly be living with another woman by 1881.

Emma m William Dixon bigamously in 1882 and has more children with him.

James's sisters Caroline m Frederick Leavesley, Clara m Frederick Price and Mary m Samuel Pawley. His brother Edward m Mary "Someone"  (and died in a cart accident - inquest reported in paper)

James dies in 1910.

Have I got all that right?

[willsy]

Their boys birth are as Wade and added Moulding in the baptism so I don't know, I think Edward marries as Moulding to Mary A Richardson, again Register office and I agree you have it right.

[Truebrit]

That all looks about right to me - although it looks like James and Edward may be James Wade's children as there are GRO references for a James Wade in Dec 1841 and for an Edward Wade in 1845.

Thank-you for the tremedous help on this - real forensic research!

It looks like James Moulding turned out to be a bad egg like his father!

Does the newspaper state the date of death for Edward Moulding?

Also, which do we think is the fathers death/burial - James Wade 16/07/1890 aged 74 or Benjamin Brown 13/09/1890 aged 67?

Regards

TB

[Annie65115]

Didn't we do well! 


Edward:
Leic Chronicle Sat 31 August 1881

FATAL ACCIDENT  On Thursday an inquest was held at the Swan and Rushes Inn on the body of Edward Moulding, aged 38, labourer, Britannia St. Deceased was employed by the Borough Corporation to drive a sanitary cart. He had been out all night driving the cart on the 3rd of August, in company of Thomas Payne, to whom he had complained of feeling ill. Payne left him just before 6am, and he was soon afterwards seen by some workman on the Welford-Rd lying across the front of the cart. The men ran to stop the horse, but before they could do so the deceased had fallen and his head was crushed against the wheel. He was taken to the Infirmary in an unconscious state and died there on Wednesday from fracture of the skull. He had had nothing to rink all night, and was quite sober. Verdict, "Accidental Death"

[Truebrit]

Thanks

As his father James Wade/Benjamin Brown was clearly also a bit dodgy is there anything in the papers about him.  I mean he started out in a House of Correction in 1841.....

TB

[Annie65115]

Also, which do we think is the fathers death/burial - James Wade 16/07/1890 aged 74 or Benjamin Brown 13/09/1890 aged 67?

Depends on which you think is the father 

Seriously -- Benjamin Brown died in the infirmary and is buried in a common grave.James Wade died in the Union House and again is buried in a common grave.

I suspect that even if you got the death certs, it might not get you much further as in my experience, deaths from either of these places simply gave the superintendent's name as the informant.

The Leic RO was working hard to get admission details to the workhouse digitised; I don't know how far they've got with that but if you want to find out if this is the correct Benjamin, it might be worth contacting them to look at the workhouse records.

[Annie65115]

We can't be sure that it's the right James in the house of correction, can we?

I did have a look at the papers for both of these men. The only item that i could confidently identify was when Benjamin was called as witness when his son in law Samuel Pawley was  assaulted. I saw nothing else for either name that I could confidently pin on either individual.

Edited to add - There are lots of mentions of James Wade "a well known character" appearing in court on several charges of theft in the late 1830s, but how would we know if this is the right person?