Author Topic: *COMPLETED* Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995  (Read 12687 times)

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #18 on: Monday 24 November 14 19:18 GMT (UK) »
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Just checking that you are ordering certs directly from the GRO (see above link) as this much cheaper than third parties.

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #19 on: Monday 24 November 14 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Wish I knew that a few years ago... been using Ancestry and the "ouch" factor could have been avoided.

Thanks I will certainly use them in the future.


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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #20 on: Monday 24 November 14 19:53 GMT (UK) »
The ouch factor may perhaps be reduced rather than eliminated but it all adds up esp if your family members like to have 3 certs for each event ;)

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #21 on: Monday 24 November 14 20:56 GMT (UK) »
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Just checking that you are ordering certs directly from the GRO (see above link) as this much cheaper than third parties.

In terms of family history stuff, there is NOTHING that gets me as cross as the companies, like ancestry, who downright con people into paying way over the odds for what is, already, an expensive record. They should be hung, drawn and quartered for it.

ooh this soapbox is quite high and I am only small, I am getting quite dizzy, better step down!

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #22 on: Monday 24 November 14 22:46 GMT (UK) »


Unless you ring the GRO and specifically ask for the 1922 cert, you will always get the 1927 version

Dawn



This has not been my experience.

If you applied on line using one of the 1922 references then that is what you will have got - was the date of registration given as 1922?

You now need the 1927 certificate, using the 1927 reference. You can get this by applying online as per normal.

I'm sorry to add to your comments SelDen but the GRO are under instructions not to issue invalid or superseded birth certs unless specifically asked for and with good reason.

In this case the original 1922 entry has been superseded by the 1927 one as evidenced by the annotation on the copy Richard has received and that he posted earlier.

There is one birth entry in 1922 for Sheila Crisell mmn Crisell, please look at the image not just the transcription. The inference if illegitimacy is made because the birth surname and mothers maiden surname are the same (not so when the fathers surname and mothers maiden surname before marriage are the same)

If you then look at the image for the Gibson entry for 1922 there is no entry for Sheila in the forename list but an insertion point where her name should be. Her entry is at the bottom of the page. This would have been added to the index when it was compiled in 1927 after the re-registration citing the Legitimacy Act of 1926.

Richard, have another look at the dates on the certificate you have received, if you have the 1927 copy, the 1927 should be written in the registration district box at the top of the cert, 1922 should be written in the birth box in column one and the date of re-registration 1927 written in column eight.
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dawn,

My copy shows the 1922 date in the Registration District box. I am still waiting for the Gibson version of the cert to arrive.


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Crisell/Crissell/Chrysel/etc. - Suffolk Area
Schoch - Germany (Öhringen Area)

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 16:36 GMT (UK) »
well, that proves my experience not to be the norm.

On several occasions I have ordered original birth certs knowing there to be omissions and have been sent the subsequent one showing the father's name with an explanatory note telling me why
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Boo,

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43380

I would seem that the term "Lying in Hospital" does not refer to being in a hospital bed but to a pace called "Lying In Hospital located in Newcastle.  A place for poor married women and unmarried expectant mothers to go to to give birth to their child.

In my case this would seem to indicate Sheila was born out of wedlock.

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Crissell/Gibson B 26 Jun 1922, D 16 Feb 1995
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard

I may not have been clear in the earlier post, sorry, but that is what I was saying.

'Lying In Hospital' was a general, commonly title for what we now call a Maternity Home or Maternity Hospital. Yes, they had one in Newcastle, there were Lying In Hospitals all over the UK and beyond at that time.
(put the phrase Lying In Hospital into a web search and you will get oodles of hits)

Boo