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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 20 December 14 10:08 GMT (UK) »
I think I may have found something relevant to the root problem.

In the 1861 census at Tealby, there is a Charlotte TODD (1) with grandparents and a (presumed) mother Eliza.

Looking at the IGI I find a baptism of Charlotte Ball TODD, dau of Eliza, bap 2 May 1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J76Z-CH3

Looking now at FreeBMD there is-

Births Jun 1860 
TODDS    Charlotte Ball        Caistor    7a   587

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 20 December 14 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps Charlotte appears as FERRABY in 1871 but I can find no marriage for her mother.  :-\
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 20 December 14 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Geoff,

We've more or less covered Charlotte Ball TODD on pages 1 and 2 of this thread. (just to save you looking for her again.)

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 20 December 14 10:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Geoff,

We've more or less covered Charlotte Ball TODD on pages 1 and 2 of this thread. (just to save you looking for her again.)

Maureen

Thanks Maureen, I came late to the party.  :-\
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 20 December 14 10:46 GMT (UK) »
But you brought presents! :)

I'm a little blinkered at ths point but I still think she's the only likely candidate.

Maureen

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 20 December 14 11:44 GMT (UK) »
It's also perhaps worth pointing out that the said Strugglers Inn, birthplace of Wil* BALL was just across the road from the old Lincoln gallows and is said to have taken its name from the antics of those executed.

It is also a similar distance from the walls of Lincoln Castle which housed Lincoln gaol in the mid 1800s, so any appearance of Wil* BALL in the vicinity could be seen as a homecoming. :)

Hello Geoff  ;)

Its good to have your valued input on this particular subject however I must take issue with Willit and a homecoming to the Strugglers.

I doubt anyone connected with the Police would have been welcome at that watering hole. You must remember that Willit's Father Philip Ball destroyed the Castle walls and was in and out of prison for over 15 years. Also Willit's eldest brother, Phillip William Ball, was  convicted of killing a man in a Lincoln brothel. I therefore think that Willit would have been safer living in Hull  ;D

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Maddigan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Masters (Lewisham, St Pancras, Clerkenwell)
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Farrow (Staffordshire, Manchester)
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Ball (Lincolnshire, Rutland)
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 20 December 14 12:05 GMT (UK) »
I therefore think that Willit would have been safer living in Hull  ;D

Ah yes Alan, but perhaps it was safer than hanging around for too long in Tealby! ;)
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 20 December 14 12:10 GMT (UK) »
The vacant post of under warder was advertised on 21 September 1860:

LINCOLN CITY GAOL.
UNDER TURNKEY WANTED.
WANTED,an active Single Man as UNDER TURNKEY, at the Lincoln City Prison. Applicants must not be above 35 years of age. Salary £40 per annum. Furnished apartments in the prison, and coals and candles allowed...

I can't find a report of Willit's appointment but there is a mention of his subsequent resignation and replacement:

"A young man named Waller, from Collingham, was yesterday appointed turnkey at the city gaol, the place of Willet Ball, resigned. There were nine candidates." (31 May 1861)

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 20 December 14 12:16 GMT (UK) »
But you brought presents! :)

I'm a little blinkered at ths point but I still think she's the only likely candidate.

Maureen

A father with an unusual name with the right profession.  Apparently someone with the same name as her (alleged) father was around in the place she was born shortly before she was born (there was no other BALL remaining in Tealby in 1861).  Her name had been changed once following her mother's "marriage", what's the harm in changing it again to be the same as her father's?  Hotel proprietor sounds better than coal dealer if you're marrying an accountant.

Comment to ShaunJ:  Good stuff you've found!  No Bastardy Bonds in the Stamford Mercury? :)
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