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Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« on: Wednesday 26 November 14 18:42 GMT (UK) »
 John's  (Jack's) mother is known to have been Lily King b September 1871 Leighton Buzzard Beds, yet she is something of a mystery. I have so far been unable to find her birth and to confirm her parents. What i am trying to find (amongst several other things) is the origin of the name Travers. I am a 1st cousin twice removed of jack Cornwell, and have an extensive family tree on the Cornwell side, which has no mention of the name Travers other than in his case. I wonder if it was the maiden name of his maternal grandmother/ Can anyone help please?
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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 19:10 GMT (UK) »
I presume you have discounted this birth?

Births Sep 1871   
King    Lilly         Leighton B.    3b   399
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 19:25 GMT (UK) »
CAPES Hull. KIRK  Leeds, Hull. JONES  Wales,  Lancashire. CARROLL Ireland, Lancashire, U.S.A. BROUGHTON Leicester, Goole, Hull BORRILL  Lincolnshire, Durham, Hull. GROOM  Wishbech, Hull. ANTHONY St. John's Nfld. BUCKNALL Lincolnshire, Hull. BUTT Harbour Grace, Newfoundland. PARSONS  Western Bay, Newfoundland. MONAGHAN  Ireland, U.S.A. PERRY Cheshire, Liverpool.
 
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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Thanks both; strangely I did not find the Leighton Buzzard birth on Free BMD when I searched; is it me or the site? Probably me.
Recent information and postings have given me horrible doubts as to whether Lily King was in fact jack's mother.
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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 20:17 GMT (UK) »
But it wasn't me. Free BMD only shows a Lily King b West Ham in March 1871. This is interesting in itself bearing in mind where the Cornwell family lived later on; but even extending the search into 1872 still only showed the same birth only.
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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 20:33 GMT (UK) »
I searched on KING, place and year,  considering the possibility of the name being Elizabeth, Lliy/Lilly being a diminutive of Elizabeth.  Note the different spelling of LILLY two L's, it is on free BMD.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that; Had missed the double L
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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 November 14 00:51 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 Lily is shown as Lilly King in Leighton Buzzard with widowed Elizabeth.

In 1891 she appears as Lillie King, and as a servant in Folkestone.

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Re: Mother of John Travers Cornwell VC
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 November 14 13:41 GMT (UK) »
Its a strange 1881 Census.

There is a Mary Elizabeth WILES Birth Reg 1864 in Bedfordshire.
I can only find 1 Wiles/King Marriage between 1864-1871

Charlotte WILES age 24 (1845), Father JAMES (no surname) married George KING age 24 (1845), Father GEORGE King, 07 Jan 1869, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire
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1891 Eli is Married to Alice born c 1865 Maidstone, Kent
1901 to Lily born c 1864 Leighton B
Cant find either Marriage ::)

EDIT;
Marriage Reg, Sept 1884, West Ham, 4a 139
Alice Maud MARETT or Alice CARPENTER on same page

1871 Census there is a Alice Carpenter born c 1865 Maidstone, Kent

1891 Alice is age 26
Possible Death Reg Dec 1897 Maldon, 4a 309 age 32

Still cant find Marriage to Lily
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