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..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« on: Saturday 02 July 05 23:11 BST (UK) »
All we've got on my Grandma's brothers & sisters are 'nicknames'.. Grandma married my Grandpa in Ruthin, Wales after WWII and we've lost track of these people, we don't even have their 'real' first names..  :-\

Can someone help me out with what their birth names might have been. The spelling is just from word of mouth, i don't know how Grandma would have spelt them..

Dad thinks 'Nin' would have been something like Eilwen.. and 'Gwen' would have had a longer name.. 'Tydd' sounds like 'tidd' not Ted .. but i guess it could be just Ted (Edward), but Dad doesn't think so.

'Nin' (maybe Eilwen?) Edwards - b: Ruthin, Wales, UK
'Gwen' Edwards - b: Ruthin, Wales, UK
'Meriel' Edwards - b: Ruthin, Wales, UK
'Eirlys' Edwards - b: Ruthin, Wales, UK
'Tydd' Edwards - b: Ruthin, Wales, UK


Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks  :)
Norman

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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 July 05 23:43 BST (UK) »
Some suggestions for you:

Gwen
Gwenllian, Gwynneth, Gwendoline

Tydd
Tydfil, Illtyd

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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 July 05 23:54 BST (UK) »
Nain (pronounced nine) is the Welsh equivalent of Grandmother
and
Taid (pronounced tide) is grandfather
don't suppose it helps but.....

peterej
Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
plus
Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again
& more


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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 July 05 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Probably Meriel and Eirlys are the correct names.   Gwen could also be a name in it's own right.   In addition it could be short for Gwenhwyvar, Gwenabwy, Gwenda, Gwener, Gwenledyr, Gweneth (Gwyneth) among others.   Probably just Gwen.
Cheers Dave
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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 July 05 23:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the suggestions.

We're pretty confident with Meriel & Eirlys, still kind of stuck with Nin though.

Thanks

Norman

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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 July 05 00:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Apparently Tydd is a variaton on Tudor, Tudyr or Tuder.  Tudor is the most usual.   I'm still working on Nin.   This is a real poser!
Cheers Dave
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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 July 05 22:44 BST (UK) »
You could also try the Welsh spelling 'Tudur' for your Tydd.

By far the most common full name for Gwen would be Gwenllian as said above but it's always worth checking the others! Perhaps Gwenhwyfar is a more 'correct' spelling than Gwenhwyvar, but it's still an uncommon name.

I know of no name that's shortened to 'Nin': therefore I'm guessing it was a nickname unrelated to the actual name.

Good luck!

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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 July 05 23:04 BST (UK) »
Could Nin be Non ? (Non is a Welsh ladies name)
Are we sure it's not "Nain" (grandmother) as Peter suggested?
"Eilwen" would most probably be "Eirwen"

Tydd - in Welsh a similar sould means "come [here]". So to should somebody over you'd shout "tyd!" or "tyd yma!". But again, yes Tudyr sounds quite likely or even "Taid" for Grandad (again as Peter suggested).

Trystan
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Re: ..Need Help with Welsh Names..
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 July 05 21:36 BST (UK) »
 ;D
Thanks everyone.  :)  I think we've got it.

We found a pic of Nin with her name written as Eilwen.

And on the back of one of Tyd's photo's we found his name written as Tyd
And then on the front of another one it appears to be Clydwyn

So Tyd is short for Clydwyn. How common a name is Clydwyn?
Norman