Marriage and children of John Steel and Margaret of Byker

[davidft]

This looks a possible for the marriage

County Durham
Place Gateshead
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 
MarriageDate 03 Dec 1798
GroomForename Francis
GroomSurname STEAL
GroomAge 
GroomParish 
GroomCondition 
GroomOccupation 
GroomAbode 
BrideForename Margaret
BrideSurname HARBOTTLE

this is the marriage in the BT's but no further details

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eaq/ 

[sirsimon]

thank you so much

that looks like Francis, Gateshead is only 3 miles south of Byker, where they are living in 1841.

No sign of his wife Margaret on the 1841 census, looks like she died before 1841.

There is a death record for a Margaret Steel dying in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1840, could be her, but no indication online of an age of death to verify.

John's wife Margaret could be Henderson since there is a baptism for a John Henderson Steel in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1843

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDK4-NXP 

[sirsimon]

A possible birth registration for their son William?

The second name could be from his grandfather Francis

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2N4S-9K6

[davidft]

Yes it looks like we have the right family and the marriage.

I am still a bit perplexed about the 1805 baptism showing the father as James in the BT's and I would see if someone could look it up in the parish registers (copies of) just to satisfy yourself that bit more

[sirsimon]

I have checked family search and I went to Carlisle a few months ago, I do not remember seeing a James Steel born in 1776 from Stapleton. There is my 4 x great granduncle James Steel, he was born in Stapleton, but he was born in 1789 and he died in 1872 in Cumberland, he never moved to Northumberland, so I think the James is just an error.

I think John's wife was Margaret Henderson.

I appreciate the help, the only thing I cannot get my head around is the absence of all their children in later censuses, I haven't found death dates for Margaret and John either. They are both alive in 1881, but not in 1891.

It is possible some of their children died young, since Francis and William do not appear on later censuses.

There is a possible marriage for their daughter Ann, she apparently married William Capstaff.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N65D-ZT6

[davidft]

1891 Census

Margaret Steele 79
Living in Byker (Looks like same building as in 1881). Widowed
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4213; Folio: 130; Page: 24; GSU Roll: 6099323.

1901 Census

Mary Ann Sanderson  66
Margaret Steel 88
Living with Mary Ann Sanderson who is her niece in Sunderland. Both Widowed
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4709; Folio: 110; Page: 46.

Margaret’s death
Deaths Mar 1902   
Steel    Margaret    90    Sunderland     10a   326


John’s likely death
Name:   John Steele
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1815
Registration Year:   1882
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death:   67
Registration district:   Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County:   Northumberland
Volume:   10b   Page:   89

The death of John junior is likely one of these (provided he did not die in Durham where they were in 1851 to ?)

Deaths Sep 1852   
STEEL    John         Newcastle T    10b   3

Deaths Sep 1855   
Steel    John George         Newcastle T   10b   22


Deaths Dec 1857 
Steele    John        Newcastle Tyne  10b   36

[sirsimon]

thanks david, a massive help

A shame that John had no Steel descendents, it would have meant more ancestors on the tree because William and John died young and I have no idea what happened to their son Francis, he was born in 1838, but he just vanished

[davidft]

Sad news re Francis jnr

Births Sep 1838   

STEELE  Francis    Newcastle on Ty.


Deaths Sep 1839   

STEELE  Francis     Newcastle upon Tyne  25 230   

[sirsimon]

thanks david

He died so young poor thing, but it was not rare for children to die young in those times

Doing some further research, I have learnt that Margaret Henderson, wife of John Steel is the aunt of Mary Ann Henderson, whose father was the brother of Margaret.

She married Simon Sanderson in 1855.

Cannot find the name of Mary Ann's father though, he would have been the brother of Margaret Henderson

Have you managed to find anything on John's daughter Ann? I think she married William Capstaff