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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 18 December 14 06:58 GMT (UK) »
Ok so I know who Leos biological parents are ok ,when he was born, where, who he marraiued, etc etc ,as like I said I've been researching this family for many years now(still got some bricks though lol)

What I want to know is "why" he was fostered out to the Haltons and "when"

"how" do I go about finding this out?.

Thank-you.

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Family history is not about flying to conclusions because you already "know stuff"




The 1931 Electoral Roll

PATTERSON, Leo Barton
Address 21 Henty St. Richmond. Painter

Marriage
HALTON, Leo Barton
To Smith Florence May
In 1939# 14304


This is about the HALTONs

Edith Rhoda HALTON and Charles HALTON were registered to vote in Tasmania from 1914 until 1928

They are then together in Abbotsford Victoria from 1931 to 1942.
He was a cabinet maker at this time, but had been farming in Tasmania with some males, possibly his sons

Address 415  Victoria St. Abbotsford
From 1949 to 1954, Edith is no longer present and he remains in the Abbotsford  area till 1954.


Sue

 
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:00 GMT (UK) »
Excuse me please but ..... how do you know that the chap who married in 1939 changed his surname in the weeks before he married....
If Barry had of got info off family then somebody should've known the youngest mentioned(the youngest child of Lauras was still living and is so today..just saying that's all..


okay...next question.

Laura had a brother Leo Barton Patterson born Rainbow 1910..he married Florence May Smith.
Just before his marriage he changed his name to Halton only weeks before he married.

They were a family from Tasmania if my memory serves me correctly think it was a Charles and Edith?..theres a newspaper clipping about how the dad went to court due to a dispute with one of his sons.

Anyways...according to Leos daughter (who used to work for bdm in Victoria) She said her father
had been fostered out as far as they know by this family.. I'm in Qld so I cant go and search any offline records in person..

But just wondering how would I go about determining when or why?.

Surely you need to obtain the 1939 marriage certificate to validate your research?

From the Australian ER 1946
Australian ER 1946  Victoria.   Commonwealth FAWKNER,  State MALVERN
HALTON
Florence May, 247 Wattletree Rd,  S.E.4, home duties
Florence May, 8 Bailey Ave SE3, home duties
Leo Barton, 247 Wattletree Rd, painter

As there's two listings for females with same first, middle and surname, I think you need to hasten slowly.   The electors needed to be at least 21 years of age to enrol.    1946 - 21 = 1925, so unlikely to be a lass aged 21, born of a marriage in 1939, with a father born 1910.

Yes, it could be one and the same lass, but there's no way of determining that from the electoral roll.

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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:09 GMT (UK) »
To have lived as a child with the HALTONS, Leo would have needed to be collected from Melbourne ,taken to Tasmania around 1914 and be back in time to vote in 1931 as PATTERSON.

Later changing this name to HALTON ( in accordance with the story)
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:16 GMT (UK) »
Charlton HALTON and son Saxby in court 1924 in Tasmania.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01edw/

Birth
HALTON Saxby
Father Charles HALTON  Edith Rhoda ROSE
12 Jul 1902
At Queenstown  Reg#2996

Mention of a Charles HALTON of Abbotsford, Vic with sons in Tasmania. 1931
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67878377

If there were any records created from the ‘fostering’ they would not be available as the events would have occurred within the last 100 years.

Cando


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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #76 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:22 GMT (UK) »
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Death
202506/1976   
HALTON Leo Barton
Father Charles  Mother Edith Rhoda

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The "Charles and Edith Rhoda" were the Haltons' not Leos biological parents of Frederick Charles (aka Charles) Patterson and Sarah Ellen Aitkins.

Would you please take time to read each post before rushing in to comment on the obvious ::).

Let's stick to the facts.

Cando
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #77 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:31 GMT (UK) »
Leo joined up 1945
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=600073

Just a reminder here Overton,

We as an experienced team can see  for ourselves  and quickly understand many aspects of your family history.

We get it  ;)

You do not have to repeat information over again.

It does not help.

Take Cando's advice and calmly read and consider things.  You will get further that way.
Sue

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Always click on the links given in answers.
It is important that you are as informed as we are.
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:46 GMT (UK) »
Birth
1910
Rainbow Victoria Australia
Add Media
Marriage to FLORENCE MAY SMITH
1934
24 Oct
Age: 24
MALVERN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA
Marriage
Description
1960
Age: 50
Wantirna South, Victoria, Australia
LICENCE for extra provisions. had grocery store.
Stories (1)
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Death
1977
Age: 67
at Batemans Bay.Buried FernTree Gully.
66 yrs of age buried FernTree Gully Vic
Add Media
Burial
1977
29 Oct
Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia
OUR LEO BARTON PATTERSON DIED AS LEO BARTON HALTON AND BURIED AT FERNTREE GULLY VICTORIA CEMETERY
Add Media
Description
2013


Burial
2014
Oct
Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia
Buried at FernTree Cemetery Victoria Australia
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Description
Fostered by Charles and Edith Halton of Tas
England ,wardrobe,buzza /Buzzo >Penzance ,St Hilary,Cornwall.
Richards,Roberts,Parrish,Paris,Norton,knight,. Whear,Sparnon,squires, Fenwick ,

Scotland-hardy,McRae,Morris,walker,burnside.>Glasgow to Australia.

Ireland-Jobson,plunkett,

Germany>Ballarat vic >? To Patterson>miner.

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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #79 on: Thursday 18 December 14 07:56 GMT (UK) »
FLORENCE MAY SMITH
View relationship to me
Birth 1915 in MALVERN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA
Death 23 August 1995 in Boronia, Victoria, Australia

PARENTS Mary May Cole born Tottenham Middlesex England.
 and Charles John Smith born 1886 England died Cheltenham

And frankly starting to wonder if its worth staying here.
England ,wardrobe,buzza /Buzzo >Penzance ,St Hilary,Cornwall.
Richards,Roberts,Parrish,Paris,Norton,knight,. Whear,Sparnon,squires, Fenwick ,

Scotland-hardy,McRae,Morris,walker,burnside.>Glasgow to Australia.

Ireland-Jobson,plunkett,

Germany>Ballarat vic >? To Patterson>miner.

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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #80 on: Thursday 18 December 14 08:44 GMT (UK) »
Copying and pasting from online trees with no sources noted isn't good genealogical practice.

The View relationship to me is a dead give away ;)

Family stories and knowing information is far removed from thorough research.

Lots of experienced researchers on this forum can help you if are patient and permit us to validate and sift through the information and stories.

I gave you the answer you requested and you appeared to ignore the information. 

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Ok so I know who Leos biological parents are ok ,when he was born, where, who he marraiued, etc etc ,as like I said I've been researching this family for many years now(still got some bricks though lol)

What I want to know is "why" he was fostered out to the Haltons and "when"

"how" do I go about finding this out?.
Overton

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If there were any records created from the ‘fostering’ they would not be available as the events would have occurred within the last 100 years.
Cando

It is usual to first find the events in Leo's life then search for any information pertaining to the family eg where were his parents living at that time.  It takes time to search the electoral rolls,trove, etc for any information that give the researcher some clues to the family situation.

Just because you have found the information online or on the bdm's does little to answer your question and that's what we are attempting to assist you with.

It is your choice whether or not you require our help further.

Posting unpleasant comments does little to encourage forum members to assist you.

Cando

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