Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863

[mazi]

There is another post in April this year on this question, just so we don't go over the same ground
Mike

[Dramagal27]

Reply to #4
Who knows what just happened to my reply. It got deleted. Arrgghhh!

Ok.
Essentially, here's what I said -
The Smith family (Richard - b. 1834; Anne Eliz. - b. ??; Richard - b. 1863; Anne - b. 1867; infant - under a year?) left England in 1870 (I am unable to paste Ancestry info into this doc., but you may find the record in June 1870). Richard Sr. was a shoemaker, a trade he learned in the "Navy" (having no luck with this record either). They were sponsored by the East London Emigration Fund.

Sometime on board or shortly after arriving, Anne and the infant died (probably from typhoid fever since Richard Jr. survived a few bouts of it).

Richard Jr.'s mother is listed as "unknown" on his death certificate; however, on his sister's death certificate, she is listed as Anne Emons (someone said it looked like "Evans").

I have not found a record of a marriage between an Anne Emons and a Richard Smith (btw: they would have been married or they would not have been sponsored).

Where are Anne and the infant buried? I haven't found any record. Maybe they are in an unmarked grave somewhere.

Anyway, that's all I know. Thanks again for any leads you can provide.

Marianne

[lizdb]

If they died on board, Anne and the baby would be buried at sea.

Have you any ideas where Richard jnr, Anne jnr and "infant" were born? ie what part of England? Youmentioned something about the East End in a previous post I believe.

[Dramagal27]

If Anne and baby were buried at sea, wouldn't there be a record somewhere?

Richard Jr. and his sister, Anne were both born in East End London (they were "Cockneys"). I assume the baby was born there too.

[lizdb]

Do they give anything more specific about their places of birth in any Canadian censuses or other records?

Do you know Richard jnr and Anne jnr exact date of birth from any later records? Is 1863 and 1867 definite years of birth, or just approx based on ages given later?

If we can find their births, then birth certs will give Anne seniors maiden name, plus Dads occupation at that time, which will answer some of your questions.

[Dramagal27]

Dates given on certificates:

Richard Smith Jr. was born 3 August, 1863 in London, England.
Anne Elizabeth Smith was born 2nd May, 1867 in London, England.

Given the common nature of their names and the fact that both were born in East End London (Cockney England), how would I go about getting their birth certificates?

Thanks.

[lizdb]

It is a case of finding their births in the index (using www.freebmd or a subscription site equivelent) and then you can order a copy of thge cert(s) from www.gro.gov.uk

Births should be registered within 6 weeks, so Richards should be in the Jul/Aug/Sep quarter of 1863 and Ann's in the Apr/May/Jun quarter of 1867.

But I am not seeing anything in those quarters in any parts of East London sort of area.

[Dramagal27]

Was registering births required?
Would there have been a cost?

[lizdb]

Yes , and No.

Sorry, obviously didnt look very well before! Just found the following possibles for Ann -

Anne Smith -Apr/May/Jun 1867 -East London- ref 1c 13

Annie Smith -Apr/May/Jun 1867 -Hackney - ref 1b 402