Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN

[JustinL]

There are two very similar Hebrew names for which the Yiddish nickname Leyzer was often used.

Where have you come across Leizel?

[brigidmac]

off hand  Leizer-Mendel was on christine Usdine site of Latvian record transcriptins
Russian Lady sent me a few examples
I thought it was you justin whod posted others cos i didnt know how to copy + paste or download documents i had in fron of me ....still struggle with that !

[brigidmac]

The deceased only may be case for some but this family obviously did not follow that rule
especially among descendats
I think it is Gershon Marcus who had died tho
not Marcus Gershon Landsman who'd have been sheinas  brother

speaking to the descendent yesterday he didnt know where his name Mark came from ...now we know

also as ive now added up the 12 children including infant deaths except the eldests name

a pattern is emerging ..i think when lazurus remarried he started using same srstem with second wife
Tilly was registtered at one school as Rebecca  her eldest half sis too old for school
could she have been khaya Rivka  or Rivka Khaya    ....

after next sis Taube died in england there may have been another Taube or Golde ..later gertrude

i never had enough money to send off for certificates of these deaths having paid for 1 with no information

finally a son named after father ..little Samuel Fellman who also died as an infant
or Isreal fellman..died as infant 

[JustinL]

They most certainly did follow the naming custom. Ashkenazi Jews regarded it as very bad luck to name a child after a living person. However, it is not always possible to identify the relative after whom a child was named. Moreover, the custom applied to the Hebrew name, not the secular name.

Sheina Landman was a daughter Ruben (son of Marcus) Landman (thus a granddaughter of Marcus (s/o Gershon) Landman) and his wife, Taube.

Her children were probably named after Taube's deceased relatives.

[brigidmac]

Oops sorry for miscommunication .
I mean Sam's  grandchildren s generation  didn't seem to have respected it

I.ll let American cousins work out who all the Janet Jeanie Jeanette's were named after ...i.d presumed it was Sheina Sam's wife

Didn't mean to cause offence

I'm really influenced by my Scots family and having been able to identify so many starting with suppositions

Automatic spell check and eye strain is making it really hard for me to how this out

Great news ...since adding one of Lithuanians got 100 new Fellman match hints on Ancestry but am goingbto have to hold off research til eyes rested

Boeing to your superior knowledge Justin can I ask if the dead relatives would have specific pattern is if paternal ffather still alive who next

Now it makes perfect sense that Samuel didn't name a son Samuel

( Except maybe the dead Manchester baby in early 1900',. * Will modify

Mystery could be resolved if I could afford those certificate s or maybe visit cemetery

[JustinL]

Hi Brigid,

I'm not offended  , just concerned that you may not have understood me.

Babies are given the Hebrew name of a deceased relative/ancestor. Without knowing the Hebrew names of Sam's grandchildren (not their secular or everyday names) it is impossible to judge whether the naming custom was being observed or not.

Do you have any specific examples?

As for the pattern/sequence, you've got me there and I can't give you an answer off the top of my head.

Justin

[brigidmac]

The grandchildren names that we know are number one Rebecca who married Benjamin Block had 1911 census


Goose - Ada Block, 13
Dina, 11
Sarah, 9
Esther, 8
Minnie, 5
Barnet, 2
Rosie, 1

George Jacob Fellman had Maisie Miriam Fellman Roberts (adopted by Hallis)

[brigidmac]

Barnet Jacob Fellman had only one daughter, Tillee. Also Samuel's grandchildren.

Other grandchildren

Muriel Ginsberg
Augusta Ginsberg

Children of Mary Fellman and Mose Ginsberg

1925 census Altimont Franklin

Eli Ness, 39
Bessie Ness, 36
Pearl, 12
Augusta, 9
Jeanette, 7
Louis, 5

[brigidmac]

1913 New York

George Levine, 32- married to Celie (Sarah Levine)
Jeanette, 17
Raymond, 13

Mark doesn't know how his names Gershon/Marcus