Burial Record

[hencarrai]

Please can someone help read the attached burial record. I'm struggling to read the name of the person and the relationship to William Nicholas.

Many thanks
and a very happy New Year to all.
Rob

[Anni B]

Janet (?) mother of William Nicholas perhaps.

[Annie65115]

Agnes the mother?

[Anni B]

Could well be.  Perhaps what I saw as Janet was part of the date.  But - can't help but think the mother's surname as well as forename would be there on a Scottish record (it is Scottish?? - I may be a little befuddled by a few New Year libations) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/christmas/cheesy.gif

[hencarrai]

Thanks for your ideas folks.

Not Scottish, the grave is in Llansoy, Monmouthshire, Wales.
The inscription is English / Latin.

Having looked thro my tree with your suggestions in mind, I think it could well be Jane.

Is Nicholas of Scottish origin then?

Good health,
Rob

[Bookbox]

The first name is written Jaine.
The second may be Jhehnes or Jhohnes.

The two letters with descenders are h (not g), so I think not Agnes. Maybe it is a version of Johns or Jones?

[hencarrai]

Thanks Bookbox,
Jaine Jhohnes could fit well with a Nicholas pedigree shown in ‘A History of Monmouthshire’ by Sir J A Bradney (1913).

The pedigree chart shows: Jane dau of John ap Thomas (Clifford) of Trostry, married to William ap Nicholas ap Gruffydd of Llansoy. It says she was bur at Llansoy, 24 Apr 1670. Their only child is shown as William ap Nicholas William.
Do you think this could be simple spelling errors or a Latin version of ‘Jane John’?
Does the use of Jane’s maiden name (John / Jhohnes) imply that she was not married to William snr?

[Bookbox]

As the burial date and parish match, it must surely be the same person.

'Jhohnes' (if that reading is correct?) could be a form of Latin patronymic - 'of John'. I don't think its inclusion suggests she wasn't married. You should probably compare how the names of other married women/widows are recorded in this register, although one shouldn't necessarily expect consistency, in either spelling or format.